• Acamon@lemmy.world
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    Because that’s the logical fallacy of Denying the Antecedent . If “it’s raining” then “the sidewalk is wet”. Knowing that it’s raining tells us something about the sidewalk, it’s not dry, it’s wet. And knowing the sidewalk is dry tells us something, it can’t be raining (because if it was, the sidewalk would be wet).

    But knowing “it is not raining” doesn’t tell us about the sidewalk (it could be dry, it could be wet, maybe it rained earlier, maybe a dog peed on it). And similarly knowing the sidewalk is wet doesn’t tell us anything about the rain.

    So even if “mo money causes mo problems” all that tells us is that someone with mo money will not be problem free. People with no money might also have mo problems, the syllogism doesn’t tell us about that.

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      The use of the word “more” in “more money more problems” indicates that both money and problems are continuous variables. Thus, the statement should be modeled with predicate logic, but with analysis. As phrased, the sentence implies a positive derivative between the two variables. If assumed to be valid over the complete range of possible values, “less money, less problems” indeed follows.

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        If assumed to be valid over the complete range of possible values,

        Which is where this logic fails. The saying is usually constricted to the range of “a lot of money” to “way too fucking much money”, with money less than “a lot of money” not included. Therefore the derivative can be positive, negative, zero, or anything really. Also to be pedantic technically the derivative doesn’t need to exist for a positive Δmoney to yield a positive Δproblems.

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      You forgot one thing. If it’s raining, it might be pouring. But it might not be pouring. If it IS pouring however, the old man IS snoring.

      So rain doesn’t equal old man snoring, but pouring rain does.

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        Ideally, you would aim to have roughly 5 units of money, because at that point, you’ll have the least amount problems possible. If you have more ore less, there will be more problems. Interestingly, if you have negative money (i.e. debt) you can have lots of problems, but so do those who have a lot of money. Also, the amount of problems you have increases quite rapidly as you deviate away from the sweet spot.

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        Yes, this represents that age where we had the optimal balance of being fully financed by parents yet getting a small allowance we didn’t have to spend on anything. I.e. no problems. Anything else = more problems

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    More money, more problems is referring to an excess of money. As in having too much causes problems, which is on the other end of the spectrum from having too little money.

    When you have an excessive amount of money it draws attention and malicious behavior. Getting wealthy suddenly often means family coming out of the woodwork to try and get some of it, sales people will want to sell things, etc.

    It is a saying that leaves out the important part, just like “money is the root of all evil” leaves out the “love of money” aka greed part.

    So the real saying should be “love of money is the root of all evil” and “an excess of money leads to more problems”. They went with more money because it flows better.

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      Interesting take. I’ve always interpreted this phrase as a folksy way of saying a cascade of causality or a progression of responsibilities.

      I think this phrase also has origins in extreme poverty, not from extreme wealth. Greed has a lot to do with why the world is shitty but I don’t think that’s the “wisdom” this phrase is trying to express.

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    money means more complex problems and a larger possible drop until you reach escape velocity where its almost impossible to fail unless someone shoots you in the head in new york.

  • More money, more problems is just a lie.

    The only problem you can have with money that wouldn’t be replaced or superceded by other problems is having bills. If you don’t have money, it’s very easy to not have bills. But then you’d also not have a home or probably anything else, which is a bigger problem than having bills.

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    Because you only get mo problems after you get mo than you need.

    Not sure what it is with inflation, but a while ago the number was like 75k?

    Money = happiness until you reach whatever threshold that’s at today, and after that mo money doesn’t get you mo happiness, just mo problems.

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      I believe the number is now closer to $110k and even then you are one major hospital visit from being back on the problems train.

      The trick is to make more money, but don’t live like you do. Just save the money. And then be able to retire young with millions in the bank

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        Yep.

        A big tip that helps is most people aren’t wired to hoard resources, so when we accumulate a lot our brains want to trade that for a dopamine hit which can lead to reckless spending.

        But our brains are kind of stupid, and easy to trick.

        Drop $100 on a fun thing, or go online and make an extra mortgage payment, pay a credit card, or even just deposit it into a savings account.

        Our brain just sees that resources went down, a good thing happened, and dumps some dopamine.

        I only read the original study years ago and never saw any followups.

        But as far as our brains are concerned, the same thing just happened, so it gives the same dopamine.