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FACT: 90% of divers give up just before finding something really neat in an underwater cave
those that find it don’t come back because it’s just so neat
Then there’s another 1% that aren’t even part of the original statistic because they’re spawned by the pure awesomeness of what’s inside that cave.
Ooo a cool rock! Worth it!! dies
Ooo the remains of a diver that found a cool rock! dies
Aside from some fish which evolved with no eyes (which is kind of cool), the only other thing you are likely to find down there is a dead body that everyone decided was too dangerous to recover.
FACT: 99% of gamblers quit just one spin away from a jackpot!
I’ve played Subnautica. You don’t need to warn me about cave diving.
Are you sure what you’re doing is worth it?
I dunno, the open water can be a bit worrisome too.
That’s a fact. Salvaging those ship wrecks gave me such anxiety. I died a few times by getting lost.
Theres a good podcasts by stuff you should know on this. A scary thought to me is about kicking up sediment, causing zero visibility and they cant even see their hand in front of their goggles
I’ve done training dives in man made quarries under zero visibility conditions. There’s no way in hell I’d go into an actual cave under those conditions.
It was bad enough when you’d almost run into a purposefully placed sculpture or bathtub in that flooded quarry.
You had to do a scavenger hunt to find stuff to pass your training and it was super disorienting.
I don’t know if PADI still does that sort of thing or if it was unique to my training center conditions but it was wild.
I’ll stick to open water, thank you very much.
Oh those sorts of training conditions absolutely still exist. I got my rescue diving certification in an old quarry much like what you said. Really helps make you appreciate the conditions when out in the Caribbean and you have >100 ft of visibility in every direction.
Oh, I totally agree with you. It’s literally like night and day. You just transported me from those murky depths to those absolutely crystal clear Caribbean waters… So many fun memories in every condition.
New fear unlocked
This feels like a metaphor for mistakes I’ve made
Here is a clip from Donald Cerrone on the Joe Rogan show where he tells a story like this. I really loathe Joe Rogan but this story is fantastic. Nightmare fuel.
https://youtu.be/or92IMcLoIc?si=0CemG6Qopl_-Bl8d
I dare you to watch this and not get absolutely freaked the fuck out, lol.
If this is the clip I think it is it’s been the joke of the cave diving community. Cerrone has almost reached meme status for this interview. Watch the Dive Talk video reacting to this clip if you’re curious.
Thanks for sharing, I’ll look that up and check it out, as I’m really curious about things like this that I’ve not experienced. Regardless of whether he’s an idiot or joke or whatever, I can totally see how a scenario like he describes could happen and how scary it could be. I definitely won’t be trying to learn how to cave dive anytime soon.
Edit - here’s the link to the dive talk video if anyone is curious like me
I’m curious about your thoughts now that you’ve watched it.
A couple takeaways for me after watching their breakdown -
- They seemed to generally agree with a lot of his points, although he clearly came across to them as an inexperienced amateur with how he described things and gaps in his story.
- Mofo should have NEVER let go of the line, or at minimum should have tied off on it when he went in to check on his buddy.
- It was never clear in his story why he lost the line and had to exit the way that he did. When he said he came out of the silt on the further inwards side of the cave, he should have been able to just grab the line and then follow it out. That’s the biggest WTF to me after watching.
- Regardless of this dude’s inexperience, and he’s not a person I follow or anything, my original comment of that being a nightmareish scenario is definitely still valid. Feeling/becoming lost (even if it was due to your own stupidity) and knowing you’re on a timer that’s accelerating due to your panic would absolutely freak me out, and is enough where I don’t think I’d ever want to cave dive. However, I’m usually a stickler for the rules, and I certainly wouldn’t have let go I don’t think. I’d want to ALWAYS be touching it or tied off against it. He was either a complete idiot or had an enormous amount of confidence in his abilities to free swim in an unfamiliar cave. Either way he was definitely showing his inexperience there.
- Fuck underwater caves! Although it’s super fascinating to me, lol.
Caves are also not uniformly shaped, the way you go in could look a lot different on the way out.
i’m confused as to what qualifies as internet funeral now
Yeah, this place has quickly diluted into “literally any image with text in it.”
Internet funeral funeral
this doesn’t seem like it would be hmmm without text either though
meirl
Yeah, this one is very clearly a cave funeral
You took it further than I would. I’d listen to the sign these days, but there was absolutely a time that, that sign would have just been a challenge.
Edit: for you grammar nerds. Do I need that comma? It seems like it should be there, but it also seems superfluous at the same time.
With the “that, that” the comma helps, but you actually don’t even need the second that for that sentence to make grammatical sense.
I feel like if they replaced the first “that” with “when” it would read smoother. “…a time when that sign”
On that note, I really hate it when a double-that is the only way for a sentence to make sense. Like I need to rewrite the whole paragraph to avoid that monstrosity.
I go full on Martian when I read a double-that.
You son of a bitch, I’m in!
If those spelunkers could read, they’d be very upset.
Yeah but that’s for other people, not me.
Right? I haven’t died yet!
Clearly! Here you are posting comments on Lemmy, a sure indication of un-deadedness.
There’s nothing in this cave worth dying for
There’s nothing outside it to live for. Show me the damn cave
109 billion people have died outside of underwater caves. I’ll take my chances.
The best part about underwater cave diving is that you don’t have to go!
You have to ignore many different warnings to even get to the area youre not supposed to be in! First and foremost, humans by design do not breathe water, therefore we have no reason to be under water.
humans by design do not breathe water
I don’t know how you can just go around making claims like this without a source. I’ll give you 10 minutes to provide me five peer reviewed research papers that assert your claim.
But what if there really is something valuable, wouldn’t they put a sign just like this to prevent people walzing in?
Just so we’re clear, your argument is that there really might be something in there that would make being dead worthwhile?
Oh yeah it could be something really cool
If there was something valuable, wouldn’t they have already gotten it by now?
I believe this is one of the caves at Ginnie Springs. If so, I know a guy who died in there. Cave diving is no joke.
https://youtu.be/or92IMcLoIc?feature=shared
I know it’s Rogan but the guy telling the story about what he went through makes you want to stay on dry land.
Okay, they almost had me convinced. But the second to last sentence is just crying out for a treasure.
That’s a good point. If I was hiding treasure in an underwater cave, I’d wanta sign like this at the entrance. It’d keep it out most of those medeling kids.
I kinda wanna know what’s in there now…
What’s so dangerous that it was able to kill instructors? Sediment and visibility?
Basically yes. Once you go inside a cave like this, it gets dark real fast. You can’t tell where “up” is and you can’t find your way back. So these people often drown or suffocate.
In cave dive training, you learn how not to do that.
It’s dark so requires torches (more than one as a backup) and very easy to get disoriented. You can easily get lost and run out of air. Risk of being blinded by silt even with a torch, leading to more risk of disoriented and getting lost. If anything goes wrong such as equipment malfunction then you don’t have the option of going to the surface as you do in open water (albeit with the risk of a bend). It’s often cramped with places to get stuck, snag equipment, or get tangled in your guideline. There are sharp rocks you can hit your head on.
Correct, with no visibility it’s very hard to orient yourself
I reckon it was all the water that killed them
Cave diving is a completely different skill set than open water diving. While they both are underwater with diving tanks, cave diving takes specialized skills.
A very specific set of skills, skills I have acquired over a very long career. Skills that make me a nightmare for people like you
Sounds like someone wants to keep the treasure all to themselves!
“There are older and fouler things than Orcs, in the deep places of the world…”
–Gandalf
Farther is the correct word, and has been confused with further for so long (over a hundred years), that they both mean exactly the same thing nowadays, so not sure why people are taking issues with it.
Unless I’m missing something?
I don’t see any comments of people taking issue with it. But words do mean things, and some people like to speak with precision.
Words apparently don’t mean things anymore, Merriam Webster added a new definition for “literally” this year
Merriam Webster is a descriptive dictionary. They don’t tell you how words “should” be used, they say how words are used.
Using literally as an intensifier goes back literal centuries. The earliest written citation we’ve found of that usage goes back to 1769. It can be found everywhere from Dickens to Brontë.
It’s also hardly the first word to go on a similar path towards becoming an intensifier. Very originally meant “genuine”, really meant “in fact”, absolutely meant “completely”, etc.
But who complains about sentences like “I was really bored to death”, or “I was absolutely rooted to the ground”? Does saying “it’s very cold” just mean “it is a genuine fact that it is cold”?
Literally still means what it means. You can’t use literally to mean “yellow”, for example. People aren’t generally confused when they come across the word.
Language is a complex and nuanced subject, but it often helps to remember that “all words are made up.”
Idioms and hyperbole are both used extensively in language to imbue feeling to statements, most people would roll their eyes at someone who interjects with a “there’s no actual evidence that boredom can be lethal” or a “I highly doubt that vendor would accept human limbs as payment,” but somehow lots of people stan for “literal” snobbery.
If it makes you feel any better, you can think of it as a homophone from the same root: “in a manner related to literature,” speaking to artistic yet inexact use of words in a sentence.
I’m just going to assume they meant that sarcastically.
Also… I’m all for the language evolving and words changing their meaning over time, as they’ve always done, but that one is crazy. Hopefully common use will, in time, fix that and get that new definition changed… but ehh, I don’t hold much hope.
Bring on the AI overlords? Reading the Polity (Sci Fi) series at the moment, and it really doesn’t seem like a bad option!
They also added a new definition for “very” to mean something other than, “factually”, or, “verifiably”.
The title correcting it to further is what caught my attention, but no, I’m not seeing people taking huge issue with it either.
And there’s nothing wrong with being correct, I like to be eloquent too.
I was just saying farther is just as correct as further, and found it interesting is all. They may have been misused a hundred years ago, but not for a long long time, they have identical meanings nowadays!
