Source: https://lemmy.fediverse.observer/dailystats
Context: Reddit made a few controversial annoucements, feel free to have a look at !reddit@lemmy.world
For people wanting to discuss why some people focus on Lemmy’s growth, here is a recent thread from !asklemmy@lemmy.world :
We’ve definitely noticed an increase in signups at lemmy.ca when that news was announced. Not all active users yet, but a lot of signups
Thanks for the insight!
Can’t wait for more research and development on Lemmy from the new users!
IMO fediverse is big enough now to serve as reddit replacement.
It’s not the size, it’s the content. Lemmyverse is a lot more serious and honestly, gloomy. Average age seems to be quite higher too. If all you used reddit for was news, politics, technical discussion and porn lemmy might be perfectly fine but there’s way less meme or entertainment content here
There is less of everything. Less sports, less hobbies, less local groups, less crafts, less academic discussions, less indie hackers and entrepreneurs, less fashion/brand/style enthusiasts…
Memes and entertainment are too shallow and can be found anywhere, we need to focus on getting some people focused on the deeper end. Reddit’s strength is in its long tail of interests. Instead of running blackouts or general protests, we should have focused on bringing one specific community to Lemmy (like e.g, knitting), figure out the issues and support them to migrate fully. If we pulled that off, other communities would have a template to emulate.
I mean yes but imo the solution isn’t any of that. The problem is that Reddit has super niche communities that people expected to have enough users to build here. That isn’t the case. And we shouldn’t be looking to transplant entire communities because that rarely works.
People really need to hear this: You need to be cross posting every single niche community post into a more general community. There are too many posts on here that exist in a knitting community but not in a general hobby community that’s more active.
This is how Reddit works and we need to follow the template. You need strong pillars that people can flock to and then branch out from there. Examples might be r/funny, r/sports, etc. Then if people want super populated places to go and chat and post, those general communities are there. If they’re new, they can find your niche community by browsing the populated places. We don’t need templates for communities, we just need to have a few really populated places with high engagement to promote natural growth.
We share your view on !fedigrow@lemm.ee, feel free to join us there
Transplanting communities rarely work because it takes a catastrophic event to push everyone in the same direction. The Reddit protests were, IMNSHO, such an event. I get it, hindsight is 20/20, but I think that if I had started my work on Fediverser when the API pricing changes were first announced, I would have in June all the tooling needed to make a coordinated mass migration.
Yup, I like Lemmy but there are still those subreddits that Lemmy can’t fully replace for certain sports teams I follow.
The way I see it is that when I’ve run out of content on Lemmy, that’s my indication to put down my phone and do something else. My buddy framed it in that way during a discussion we had the other day and I think he hit the nail on the head.
If I only browsed my subscribed feed that’d maybe amount to to 5-10 minutes of stuff a day. On the other hand if I open the all feed there’s an endless steam of the stuff I mentioned above. As I said, what’s lacking isn’t volume it’s the content of the volume
I still appreciate Lemmy more. It’s more intimate and people are way more respectful. Also, Reddit is full of shit comments. Lemmy comments aren’t perfect or amazing, but I visited Reddit this week looking for memes (agree with your point on quantity of memes) and perused the comments. I forgot how stupid and formulaic Reddit can be. I’m really happy that didn’t transfer over to Lemmy.
Yeah I’m glad reddit’s comment culture didn’t carry over
I think for the most part it stayed in reddit, and I’m so glad it did. But I have run into the odd “classic” reddit comment like “sigh unzips” and jfc did it make me realize how much I had not missed that kind of tired, uncreative, dumb bullshit joke.
Some people really want lemmy, or the fediverse for that matter, to be reddit. And that’s not a bad thing of its own. But maybe we can let it be what it wants to be.
Some people really want lemmy, or the fediverse for that matter, to be reddit. And that’s not a bad thing of its own. But maybe we can let it be what it wants to be.
Personally, I’m fine with Lemmy not completely replacing Reddit, but rather just being a viable alternative for those of us who are tired of Reddit. I’ve only been using Lemmy for a handful of days and I’m already quite happy with it as it is.
Maybe it’s just the communities I frequent, but I think it did carry over. There’s a lot of sarcastic comments, holier than thou comments, and meme comments on Lemmy just like Reddit.
Edit: Also, a lot of negativity.
I imagine this is controversial, but I appreciate that there’s less entertainment here. I’ve already had more decent discussions here in the last 6 months, even if I disagreed strongly with the other person, than I have on Reddit since the 3rd party app debacle.
The constant churn of what some people consider entertaining, or the never-ending effort in attempts to be the entertaining and flippant comment that gets upvotes even on serious subjects really just gets old. I don’t mean to say people shouldn’t have a sense of humor, but when everything starts to revolve around cheap quips and retreads of the same old comments, that’s stagnation. Any serious sub big enough to damp that behavior also tends to be more exclusive of outside opinion.
So I guess I’m happy with news, politics, tech, and porn - though I have to admit I blocked out a crapton of the porn when Lemmy was new because it was overwhelming so I don’t see much of that in /all anymore.
Tbh it definitely helps with my phone addiction. The content starts to run out and I can just put down my phone.
entertainment
- !movies@lemm.ee
- !television@lemmy.world
- !casualconversation@lemm.ee
- !avatar@lemmy.world
- !imaginary@reddthat.com
- !patientgamers@sh.itjust.works
memes
I’m surprised by this, I feel like memes are everywhere
If anything, this only proves their point: there is less of everything. Compare this amount of content a similar sub on reddit.
Be the change you want to see. Also I noticed that Lemmy is less active on weekends, which is probably healthier
I don’t mean discussion about entertainment, I mean communities that entertain you like damnthatsinteresting, unexpected, nextfuckinglevel etc. And considering how much of their content is in video form, I don’t think they can viably exist in lemmy.
memes are everywhere
Maybe generic and reposted memes are, but nothing of the sort of niche meme communities that constantly popped up in reddit
The gloomyness is definitely a problem. Progressives are usually better at empathy so they feel everyone’s pain. And if you are looking for it you’ll find shit and pain all day long.
We need more positive posts on here.
Then post some please.
Be the change you wish to see in this world
There are the communities wholesome and lemmybewholesome.
Sorry, I don’t know how to link to the communities or I would.
Thank you, super-wholesome stranger!
You are welcome!
but there’s way less meme or entertainment content here
Good!
We already have instances that go down or suffer from intermittent federation issues when lemmy.world gets a bit more active. The most conservative estimates are putting Reddit at 75 million DAU. If we get to 1% of that, you can bet that our current network would choke, badly.
Not only we need more instances, we also need to be a lot smarter about their organization and how to architect this network. I think we will only be able to grow larger if we make a more intentional separation between topic-based instances and “people-home” instances, so that we can have a better spread of the load.
The total federated bandwith is definatly a bottle neck we are starting to approach (ie what we see with .world and it overloading small instances). Not sure the solution here but I’m sure we can work past it without compromising on decentralisation.
0.19.6 is adding better parallelization
Not sure the solution here
I am more and more convinced that we will need something like what I outlined here.
Good article. But the trend of the internet it to not use a browser but an app that often emulates a browser.
Which is still a client. I honestly don’t care if we are talking about a mobile app, a PWA, a browser extension, a SPA or a dedicated app: as long as the business logic goes to the edge and the server is a “mere” dumb pipe, we should be okay.
That would be better, but also put more cost on the users who have been spoiled by decades of someone else paying for incremental access to, storage of and processing of data.
We need more instances, but we need to be a lot smarter about the structure. I think we will only be able to grow larger if we make a more intentional separation between topic-based instances and “people-home” instances, so that we can have a better spread of the load.
I don’t know if it would help with load-balancing, but I feel hash tags would be better than communities.
Isn’t that just Mastodon and similar services? I prefer the community url scheme more that the hashtag scheme.
I agree that the hashtag scheme is bad. It attracts people that want to self-promote or bots.
This goes against the design of ActivityPub, which requires people to follow actors. A hashtag does not have a single name, so people would have to follow all servers and/or the servers would have to relay activities that are not originating from their actors. It is possible, clunky to implement.
Maybe an odd take, but I think one of the things missing to make people move over more is porn. So I’m trying to help - https://xxxiver.se
Cum for the porn, stay for the memes
Isn’t lemmynsfw more popular?
Sure, Lemmynsfw is always going to have more users, but I want to serve the needs of the Creators. I’m trying to help get more content for users on lemmynsfw by helping OF Creators get involved.
It’s the fediverse, you can have multiple servers. And OF Creators can use a server that caters towards their needs and still reach their audience on lemmynsfw
Indeed!
Yeah, lemmynsfw seems to have solid community
Why would anyone pay for that if lemmynsfw is free?
Dude, you are asking for $10 a month to join. The fuck? You realize that porn is fucking free on the interwebs, right?
Are you an OF Creator selling porn? If not, then you wouldn’t be joining or paying.
It’s to help OF creators advertise in the fediverse, not to pay 10 bucks a month to watch porn.
Ohhhhh!! Ok, yeah, my bad. I just glanced at it, saw that, then bailed. But your explanation makes more since. Sorry!
Interesting! We’ve had quite a noticeable spike of sign-ups on lemm.ee as well
I have been mentioning it on Reddit a few times, so glad to see that helps!
I hope you are doing a good job of converting more Redditors to Lemmy :D
He totally is! I’ve noticed Blaze’s posts a bunch -well assuming he goes by the same name lol. He’s doing a great job at shepherding and getting the info out there. @Blaze@sopuli.xyz
Also I took a peek at some of threads discussing the paywalls and noticed there seems to be increased awareness about Lemmy, dare I say interest😆
BlazeAlt is me, so probably!
You are in enemy borders to get others to join our movement. Kudos to you, stay safe out there soldier. 🫡
Spez is a funny enemy as he is slowly breaking furniture while demanding loyalty in the fortress.
I’m now here due to the Reddit news. I’m still browsing both, but I look forward to changing over.
Welcome! I have noticed the last week or two that there has been a real influx of activity, and it’s now basically the same experience for larger subreddits/lemmy communities. All we need is some niche community and better cross/instance community combining and we’re golden. Enjoy!
Welcome. Please comment and post as much as you can. The more content Lemmy has the more people will engage and create more content
I like lemmy, people can actually see comments too, theyre not drowned out
My oldest Reddit account was close to 15 years old and I haven’t logged into any of them for almost 2 years. All the same content and none of the Reddit BS.
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Welcome! Feel free if you have questions
What’s the state capital of Idaho?
@ChatGPT@lemmings.world what’s the state capital of Idaho?
(Let’s see if this still works, haven’t used it in a while)
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Boise, I think?
Every time reddit announces something dumb I open Lemmy again. I’d rather be here on principle but the content/users just aren’t here yet. Where are the cross post bots?
The content/users aren’t here so I’m stubbornly trying to post content and comment whenever I can.
Even if I shout into the void, or get a few upvotes and little other engagement.
Although I understand it’s not for everyone, I encourage you to help out with that ;-;
Even if I shout into the void, or get a few upvotes and little other engagement.
For people in similar situations, !fedigrow@lemm.ee
Didn’t know about that one. Just subscribed!
I was never much of an /r/all user, it’s always been niche communities for me. I feel like almost all of my niches have content here now (if not quite as much engagement as I’d like). !retrogaming@lemmy.world in particular has exploded with activity lately and arguably can now serve as a full replacement for its subreddit counterpart.
Thing is, when I try to bring people on Lemmy, it’s always “why?” and if I make it that far, “how?” With the how, I’ve been using the analogy of signing up for email, though it’s still not as smooth as it could be. Eyes glaze over when anyone starts asking me about how the Fediverse in general works.
The why is harder. I don’t know how much user bleed-over niche Reddit got from /r/all users but I’m guessing it wasn’t a trivial amount. I’m sure a lot of Reddit’s growth was owed to AMAs, so it’s possible Lemmy might need something flashy to draw in users who will then filter into communities waiting for them. Some sort of content unique to the platform. I do think before we get there we need a friendlier way to help new people find communities they may have interest in.
when I try to bring people on Lemmy, it’s always “why?” and if I make it that far, “how?” With the how, I’ve been using the analogy of signing up for email, though it’s still not as smooth as it could be.
You don’t have to bother with that. Just send them to a single instance to sign up. Stable, general-purpose instances like lemm.ee, sh.itjust.works, or lemmy.zip are good recommendations. You don’t really need to understand the details of how federation works to start using Lemmy. They can learn as they go.
That’s what I’m doing. I got 2 subs that I frequented on Reddit I’m running, one is a sports one with discussions for the events, and it’s literally just me putting commentary into it. But that’s what I loved about the Reddit sports subs, so I’ll at least have it for when people come here.
Thank you for your service. I have little interest in sports, but love to see Lemmy growth in general. We need a diversity of communities here, not just Linux memes :)
Thanks for your service. I’m more of a lurker, though I tend to comment more here than on Reddit, and I have so many other things filling my life that I have to tend to. This is just a distraction before bed or filling a dull moment.
Which content are you interested in?
https://lemmit.online/ can be used to crosspost content from Reddit, but you won’t get much comments as people tend to prefer content curated by humans
!newcommunities@lemmy.world has a weekly thread with active communities.
Why not cross post some of the content yourself?
I don’t have the time. This just fills the empty gaps in my day, before bed winding down
Isn’t that how it always goes. Everyone wants the end result, but nobody wants to do the work.
Yep. Weirdly, I didn’t do any work to populate reddit either. It’s almost like that would be impractical and unrealistic for an end user to do.
It’s only impractical for a small userbase. As the userbase grows, the amount of posts each user needs to contribute in order to maintain an active community drops to a realistic level.
Out of curiosity, what content are you looking for? Discovery on Lemmy can be a problem, but sometimes the communities are there and even active, just buried.
But may I also suggest searching by Top Day/12-hour/6-hour to see the most active posts. Lemmy’s scaled algorithm still doesn’t get it quite right IMO.
Scaled is intentionally promoting communities with fewer subscribers. It’s intentionally demoting the most active posts bt demoting any posts from the communities with more subscribers.
Scaled is amazing for the Subscribed feed, because I’m (obviously) interested in the small communities that I’m subscribed to. But it’s not quite the same when browsing All or Local. Usually I do stick to Subscribed though.
This is my way too. But I default to new and switch to scaled and top-x from time to time.
I also like the New Comments sort (forums style), I have a widget on my phone’s home screen showing Subscribed - New Comments
Just… content. I open my Lemmy app once and I’ve seen everything it will show me for the day, or sometimes for multiple days. I open reddit and I can scroll for hours.
Just… content.
I open reddit and I can scroll for hours.
If all you want is “content” you can browse Lemmy by /all, sort by new, and also scroll for hours. That isn’t how I use Lemmy (or Reddit) though, and it’s not how I would recommend using it.
I open my Lemmy app once and I’ve seen everything it will show me for the day, or sometimes for multiple days.
I almost exclusively browse by subscribed. When I first came to Lemmy, I kept subscribing to communities until I had too much content in my subscribed feed to keep up with. Over time, I’ve gradually unsubscribed to communities I’m only tangentially interested in, as communities for my main interests have grown.
Do you think an approach like this would work for you?
No. I already sort by all, and new is generally too low quality and frankly still too slow. I also switch to all on Reddit once I’ve skimmed over the first couple pages of my feed
Maybe Top of the day / Top of 12 hours? New can be low quality indeed
Those bots got blocked and banned.
They do…?
Initially, yes. They probably relaxed it a bit.
Cross post bots? Why cross post bots?
every time spez opens his mouth a bunch of people go “hmm let me see if there’s something else”
I’m out of the loop. What dumb thing did he do now?
Paywalled subreddits and killing old.reddit.
There are a few threads on !reddit@lemmy.world
They haven’t killed old.reddit (yet), just made it slightly worse.
Old.reddit+res are keeping the website alive for me
Redlib and Libredirect are the only thing keeping me sane when I absolutely have to open Reddit.
I like Lemmy’s culture better. It isn’t perfect, and maybe someday I’ll create my own instance. And I can do that.
There’s a bit of an echo in some places.
That’s just human s though. The only way to fix that is force everyone and everything onto All.
It feels more condusive.
The culture’s a bit too reddit-like for my taste, but it’s alright and some communities are better about it
To me it feels like Reddit but before Reddit became so popular. That has both good and bad aspects, but overall I enjoy posting here.
It is lower from where it was in june (48.472) and the data seem to indicate a negative trajectory , also lemmy donations seem to be the lowest i remember them to be.
So i would not get too confident, the project IMO needs to focus on highly requested killer features. My impression they focusing too much on technical issues that don’t seem to be really important in a way that reminds me of the infamous The CADT Model rant of Jamie Zawinski. Do we really need to do a UI rewrite?
That’s weird! I go on Lemmy daily and it’s been feeling a lot busier IMO.
The CADT model…that was a short but fun read. I have definitely encountered that model many times in the various jobs.
Years ago, when I was a developer, I loved fixing bugs in other people’s code. I felt like I learned a lot from that, and I got a sense of accomplishment out of it. It made users happy, it made my boss happy, and the puzzle solving aspect of it was fun. I was what they called a “maintenance programmer” which was something of an insult, but I didn’t mind.
Unfortunately most developers I know hate everyone else’s code, think others’ code is “garbage” (every single time) and they definitely have a lot more fun building something from scratch than doing bug fixes. They even hate their own code once it’s a few months old. Always chasing for the perfect architecture, etc. Which is unfortunate, there’s tremendous value in repairing and upgrading existing things.
TF2 community greatly values efforts of The Janitor - sole full-time developer, fixing old bugs in TF2.
I love that.
there’s tremendous value in repairing and upgrading existing things.
Value created doesn’t translate to value extracted and VCs and managers and marketers and the general public fork over more money in exchange for new shiny than old, reliable, maintained. There are few exceptions.
True, but I’ve also worked at many places where they hang on to old software systems for years or even decades (think banking, mainframes). Because they “it works, and if it ain’t broke don’t fix it”.
I’m out of the loop, what are the highly requested features?
Multi communities, tags, dedicated moderation dashboard
I suppose for me more compact posts and in community search.
I was so confused when I heard about lemmy-ui-leptos, it really sounds like a waste of time to me 🤷♂️
I’m sure everyone has a different opinion, but I think the most important new feature should be the plugin system. It seems like the only way to scale up the number of contributors and support a variety of languages.
Yes, that could be huge
Hopefully Sublinks, PieFed or Mbin will be ready soon so that we can ditch Lemmy entirely.
Are those better than Lemmy? I’m enjoying Lemmy so far.
At this point i think piefed feels better with it’s ability to subscribe to posts and comments and incrementally read stuff, and also the wiki system . mbin reportedly has multireddits but i played with it and could not figure out how to enable it. but piefed still didn’t have a beta release.
Good overview.
Mbin doesn’t have multicommunities yet, feel free to upvote this issue: https://github.com/MbinOrg/mbin/issues/486
Mod tools for Piefed are very promising!
They are different, but Lemmy is still a solid choice
Came here after the API bullshit. Takes a little getting used to but it scratches that same itch
Probably due to Reddit fuckary. Between power-hungry, ban-happy mods and Reddit talking about possibly charging for select subs, I definitely bailed and came here.
Two days old today, baaabbby!!
Doing my part tho! I’ve created 5 communities and have posted over 100 times in the last two days. :)
That is crazy. Nice work! :D
Thank you. Everyone is calling me a troll and saying things like, “Troll alert. Account is only 2 days old!”
But WTF? Are we supposed to wait after we create an account to start posting?
No. I created an account so I could START posting. lol
Welcome!
Welcome to the upgrade!
We need more work horses like you 💙
Thank you! But wow, the people in the c/poltics sub are convinced I am a “media manipulator” because my account is only a few days old and I have started communities. lol
People in political communities can be a bit opinionated. Hopefully it will fade away as your account will get older
Thank you!
Gotta control the narrative :P
Right?! lol
I got banned from reddit for criticizing the mods of a popular subreddit. Perm-ban on a white vest account for saying the mods are crybabies as they once again complained about having to mod the sub.
Fuck reddit. Fuck spez.
I agree. I came here for two reasons:
- Reddit is proprietary
- Shit mods
- API paid
- Karma system
Though I still do crave the niche communities from Reddit and I might occassionally visit Reddit once in a while on my browser for them, otherwise the ads are pretty unbearable for me. The UI is also so fucking bloated. Fuck spez
Fuckers banned me too
Welcome!
Reddit mods seem to be something else lately
I pretty much got permabanned for ban evasion, even though I was on an alt that has no reference to the others other than being on the same IP, my other accounts got banned simultaneously.
Same thing happened to me. 7-day ban evasion suspension instantly into a perma on three accounts at once all because a single subreddit mod threw a fit when I accidentally posted there again off r/all on an alt.
They were all made with the same email address so I could have easily made another alt by now and kept posting but I’ve taken it as an opportunity to do a Reddit detox
Was wondering what kicked off more signups.
Probably reddit announcing some shitty monetization scheme
The CEO said they were going to add pay-walled subreddits at an earnings call.
So… Yep.
Who didn’t see this coming from a thousand miles away when they announced they were going public? Here comes the endless churn of trying to keep shareholders artificially interested
Yes, it’s in the post body
As a new user it’s nice seeing so many new users in this thread.
THE YEAR OF THE FEDIVERSE
Active accounts is not active users. We shouldn’t lie to ourselves. I wouldn’t be surprised if the number of active users is half of the active account number.
More realistic than mainstream social media platforms. On Lemmy, the number of active users is measured by posts, comments and votes.
I think that’s a mistake, but also the point is that saying users when you mean accounts is lying to yourself. Users here have multiple accounts, I have 7.
Yes, almost almost all of us have more than one account, but not everyone uses more than one account at the same time. I think these numbers are correct. There should be a margin of deviation of at most 10%.
Over 6 months and over a month, I think most users with multiple accounts use their accounts at least once to post, comment, or vote. So it wouldn’t surprise me if active users to active accounts was 1:2
You think that, on average, half of active users are alts…?
No. I think that there are enough users with multiple accounts including bots that it wouldn’t surprise me if the ratio of active users to active accounts is 1:2.
Alts or bots, maybe
