• dowhat@lemmy.film
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    Left wingers and calling everyone that slightly disagrees with them “literally hitler” name a better duo.

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      Allowing actual Nazis to have a platform in a public space is Nazism.

      You’re just salty because you don’t like when people call you out on it. Just go join their instance and be among your peers and leave everyone else alone.

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        Allowing actual Nazis to have a platform in a public space is Nazism.

        Exaclty. "If you are neutral in situations of injustice, you have chosen the side of the oppressor.” - Desmond Tutu

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      Ah yes, block entire instances en masse without the hassle of actually making the decision yourself, that would be nice

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        I run my own instance so that i can take a little control over the drivel that scrolls past my eyes. Far right ideologies don’t deserve a platform or an audience.

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          Idk, gonna be a very hot take, but I like my beliefs challenged and believe that everyone deserves a voice

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            Idk, gonna be a very hot take, but I like my beliefs challenged and believe that everyone deserves a voice

            Nazis had a voice once, and folks listened to them. And we ended up with the Holocaust.

            Might be controversial but I don’t believe that people who want to murder minorities deserve a voice. I feel like that’s a pretty reasonable bar to set lol.

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              Sure, but did they actually say they want to murder minorities?? I’m yet to see that

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            Fascism isn’t an ideology that gets defeated in the marketplace of ideas. It’s core belief is enabling a small minority to violently destroy other lives. It’s not worth your consideration.

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    As long as I found the Nazi disturbing, the “denialism” in Tianmen square massacre or gulag or Ussr stalin purge or Uyghurs genocide from the far-left ideology is as much disturbing as the same from the far-right one. Just because this instance seems leftish and anti-Nazi, it doesn’t leverage itself to a better position.

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      Yeah extreme ideologies are bad, but instead of talking left vs right, which is pointless as you are trying to comp genocidal maniacs against eachother. They are all totalitarian evil, we put extra labels on so we can pick sides.

      how about we consider why groups want control over your life. The left cares for society and group rights, the right cares for individual rights. I could argue the value of both, but we are overpopulated and the desires of the individual shouldn’t be valued greater than that of a society, our environment, quality of life, right to health and security from violence and economic greed. Im not saying the left is good at what they do but at least they try to manage the mess instead of arrogantly assuming market forces, churches or the metaphysical can or will solve peoples unnecessary suffering.

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        Sorry just because you (or “we”) would love to put labels to pick sides, it doesn’t mean I belong to your described “labels” or “sides” because I treat far left and far right are the same. Maybe some political compasses can help. I don’t take sides. I agreed with the problems you think. Maybe you can try to stop putting labels (or picking sides) so that it might help to provide for some perspective angles. Wish you the best

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        There’s a lemmy server where a lot of alt-right and more extreme views have sub-lemmys. It got defederated by Lemmy.World and others and now they’re upset that most people on other servers don’t get to see their hate-speech.

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          I did a quick check of the frontpage of the server and didn’t find anything that extreme. Can you show me some nazi related posts?

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              You’re right. Just call everybody the names you want regardless if they are accurate or not. If it’s fashionable enough it will stick everytime, so who cares right?

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                  Everybody in this post is calling the server nazis.

                  I went there and at least in the frontpage there were only edgy right wing memes and some normal posts. But no white supremacy stuff or something related to that.

                  So I asked if someone could show me the posts that made them call the server nazis. And instead of a reply, I only got downvotes. Because god forbid you ask people why they consider others nazis.

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      The instance at exploding-heads.com got defederated from by a lot of instances and among them the largest one lemmy.world
      It happened due to them allowing hatespeech like “tranny faggot”. Top post now is complaining about how the rest is sensitive libs and in the same breath call “Joe Biden is a pedo”. They’re throwing a tantrum about how they’re getting cancelled because they can’t smell the shit under their own shoe.

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        It’s not necessary to repeat the hate speech they got defederated over, you can just say “transphobic/homophobic slurs”.

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          But the words themselves don’t mean anything more than the context they’re used in. I absolutely think you should be able to freely write the bad words that you are talking about to better explain what happened instead of censoring it. It’s obvious that op used it to spread information and not in a negative context, isn’t it?

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            Yes, there’s a difference between use and mention, but slurs are still slurs even outside of a negative context or without hateful intent.

            Repeating slurs isn’t always necessary and can sometimes still be emotionally draining for the targetted group to see even outside of the negative context. Just something to keep in mind.

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      Huge drama surrounding instances that have a major far-right presence and certain instances cutting connections (defederating), while others aren’t (staying federated).

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        I like how someone put it in another thread. From the “defederaters,” The argument most seen is: “if there’s a nazi at the table and you say nothing, it’s a table full of nazis.” The most common counter-argument is “it’s actually like a stadium full of people with some nazi’s in the corner jerking themselves off.” From the “federators,” the most common argument is “defederation defeats decentralization,” and the most common counter to this is simply: “fuck off nazi!”

        I find the whole situation quite extraordinary to see unfold and be a part of.

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          What stadiums have these people been to where being a Nazi is okay? Stadium staff curate very specific atmospheres, and being a Nazi is an automatic disqualifier

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            Excellent example of why giant instances are bad ideas. Nazis love forcing you into a “throw the baby out with the bathwater” type choice because it means they can continue their hateful, destructive, genocidal behaviors without consequences. They’re usually not stupid, they know what they’re doing is wrong, they just want to keep getting away with it. So they’ll go nuclear on anyone and everyone in order to maintain their comfy corner of hate.

            Any moderator (or stadium owner) who doesn’t give Nazis jerking off in a corner a lifetime ban is negligent, as you said.

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              Aren’t the instances defederating from exploding heads actually the ones maintaining their comfy corners though

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                  Do you actually have solid grounds to call all the users of an instance nazis? That’s not something to throw around lightly