• Nacktmull@lemm.ee
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    Ok, I’ll correct that to ‘Israel as a nation casually murders children on a regular basis’ to be more accurate then.

    Well, that is at least a start. Now could we agree to switch “Israel as a nation” with “The right-extremist government of Israel, it´s military and the ultra-nationalist settler movement” please?

    Sus af though that you claimed that a meme criticizing Israel as a nation for killing kids was an attack against all Jews

    A nation includes all of it´s citizens, so that is a weird argument that seems to have only one goal, to be a killer argument against any critique of antisemitic propaganda against Israel.

    How is generalizing all citizens of Israel -who as we know are mainly Jewish people- as casual child murderers not classic antisemitism? Please include in your consideration, that the narrative of child sacrifice and blood libel is one of the oldest antisemitic tropes there is and put the meme in a context with that fact.

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      Well, that is at least a start. Now could we agree to switch “Israel as a nation” with “The right-extremist government of Israel, it´s military and the ultra-nationalist settler movement” please?

      Israel “as a nation” has been doing this since its inception in 1948. It has never been anything besides an ultra-nationalist settler movement. I suspect you either greatly lack historical context or are arguing in bad faith tbh.

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        Israel “as a nation” has been doing this since its inception in 1948.

        I can see the true part in this oversimplifying generalization.

        It has never been anything besides an ultra-nationalist settler movement.

        The same could be said about many countries. Are you by any chance a US american?

        I suspect you either greatly lack historical context or are arguing in bad faith tbh.

        The fact that somebody has a different opinion than you does not mean neither.

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      Now could we agree to switch “Israel as a nation” with “The right-extremist government of Israel, it´s military and the ultra-nationalist settler movement” please?

      No we can’t, fuck off. Israel is an apartheid state and Zionism is an European settler-colonial movement.

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        Du scheinst die Art Mensch zu sein welche möglichst simple Narrative bevorzugt und die Welt klar in gut und böse aufteilt. Daher kein Interesse an einer Diskussion, danke und schönen Tag noch.

        Dein kringeliger Avatar prüft so was von aus.

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          You seem like the kind of person who runs defense for apartheid and genocide to avoid having to question your unwavering loyalty to the people who rule you, this was never a conversation worth having so I thank you for saving me the effort.

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            You seem like the kind of person who runs defense for apartheid and genocide

            Quote or it didn’t happen :)

            loyalty to the people who rule you

            Project much?

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            You seem to be the kind of person who prefers simple narratives and clearly divides the world into good and evil. Therefore no interest in a discussion, thank you and have a nice day.

            Your curly avatar is so testing.

            This text was translated using DeepL.

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            You are absolutely wrong, but I can understand that a superficial look at the discussion can give this impression. However, I argue with anti-Germans whenever I find myself in the same room with them. They position themselves just as indiscriminately as you do here, only in the opposite direction. Anti-Germans are even in solidarity with the right-wing extremist, colonialist Israeli government. To be honest, I can no more identify with anti-German Israel-fetishists who hate Palestinians than I can with the anti-Semitic, Israel-hating Palestine-fetishists here. Both camps are obviously fanatical and far from objective.