I would really rather that these were actual examples, and not conspiracy theories. We all have our own unsubstantiated ideas about what shadowy no-gooders are doing, but I’d rather hear about things that are actually happening.
I would really rather that these were actual examples, and not conspiracy theories. We all have our own unsubstantiated ideas about what shadowy no-gooders are doing, but I’d rather hear about things that are actually happening.
That there was a protest against something in Beijing from April until June 4th 1989.
Heard the glorious communist party rolled over the protestors with tracks but that’s impossible!
This isn’t reddit you don’t have to do that
Chinese people learn about the June 4th incident in school lol
Also the tank guy didn’t get run over, did you watch the full video? Some of his friends convince him to leave.
“the June 4th incident”, can you elaborate on what they learn about it?
I dont understand the scare quotes.
My mandarin is bad but let me see if I can find a textbook again. If not, I’ll link an article on it, or ask a Chinese friend for help.
In the meantime, please share what you think they should learn, to avoid you moving the goalposts and/or to see what misinfo you have learned about the event
Nah I’m good. It is typical that you use the CIA playbook. Immediately cast doubt and make counter accusations. I guess I shouldn’t expect good faith.
You asserted that Chinese people are taught about this without any proof.
That which is asserted without proof can be dismissed without proof. In other words, put up or sit down.
Also immediately implying that what people know that is not the official Chinese party line is misinfo seems to be straight from the Trump playbook.
And finally you refer to “a chinese friend” as an authority, you pulled a hattrick of fallacious conversation in that post.
Okay lmao, have a good day. To clarify though
I was going to bother them for resources after doing my own due diligence as they know a lot about it and can find mandarin documents more easily than me.
I did say this by saying “or ask a Chinese friend **for help. **” which you seemed to omit in your interpretation that I was going to use them as an authority.
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Yeah, they were just shot. There’s footage of the bodies on the street, by the way.
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So now you’re moving goalposts - it’s no longer about whether or not people got killed, but whether you find it justified that they died? I’m sorry, but unless we’re talking about a literal Nazi, I can’t agree with that sort of view.
He stated that the idea that China denies it is false. They have successfully integrated the event into their national narrative. Party members openly speak about Tianenem Square and use it as a lesson for how to better govern going forward
Was it a brutal crackdown on protests? Somewhat, yes. But soldiers also defected and sided with the protesters, and the protestors also killed some soldiers.
It’s a complicated event and an important part of modern Chinese history. Yet most people only learn a tiny part of it and assume the rest.
The book series “three body problem” by a Chinese author started the process of opening by mind about this stuff. In this book, he openly criticizes the cultural revolution and anti-intellectualism in the Chinese government during that time period.
I thought all forms of dissent were banned. But it turns out the party today doesn’t see itself as the same as before. So while you can’t criticize the current one, the one from 30 years ago is fair game.
There’s a lot to say here about the US perception of China versus China in actuality. Propagqnda is powerful and fills in the cracks for what people don’t know and seems unusual to them.
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The only people who say “Tin man square never happened lmao” are western liberals saying it ironically, trying to own China. China never said there were no protests or movements. They don’t ban people from talking about it.
But if you repeat CIA propaganda as truth, they will indeed prosecute you.