On AI and place, and how Mastodon gives tools to create communities at the instance level, but people experience ‘place’ at the federation level.
This is not a cultural failing that can be fixed by asking people to be nicer, which was roughly Scott Jenson’s prescription. Nor is it resolved by pointing to the protocol’s openness, which was roughly the community’s response. Neither prescription reaches the actual problem, because Mastodon’s governance tools sit at the instance level and the community’s experience happens at the federation level. Mastodon was built as open infrastructure at the federation level and community at the instance level. The Jenson thread demonstrates that the community has long since reversed this: they experience the federation as their community, and the instance as an administrative detail. The software has not caught up, and until it does, the community will keep enforcing its boundaries the only way the federation layer allows: person by person, reply by reply.
Thoughtful article overall, but I think what is describes is a design problem of Twitter like micro-blogging. There really is only a void to shout into, and I don’t really see how software can catch up to anything there. I also don’t really understand how this problem is specific to the Fediverse/Mastodon, with even the pre-Elon Twitter being famously toxic for very similar reasons.
Lemmy and other “community” based Fediverse software has much less of this problem, because there is a venue i.e a community to post into which has a theme, rules and moderators.

(…) and suggested the community’s hostility toward AI was symptomatic of a broader tendency to drive people away. The comparison he drew to the loss of Black Twitter in 2022 was badly misjudged, and the furious response was largely justified. Hannah Aubry, Mastodon’s community director, publicly distanced the organisation from his views. The thread blew up, accumulating hundreds of comments in a single weekend, most of them hostile, and the pattern of the community’s response is worth looking at closely.
The comparison may be misjudged, but his post did actually trigger the same dynamic, which facilitated/s racism on Mastodon (driving Black Twitter away) too. Toutes proportions gardées of course, as anti-AI scolding is much more bearable than blatant racism and harrasment. And genAI boosters don’t deserve a honour to be treated as another marginalised minority.
Mastodon-and-adjacement (maybe let’s call it the Feediverse, analogically to the Threadiverse) consist (like Threadi) of lots of different instances, but remains experienced mainly as one place. Maybe Mastodon has eased an onboarding too much and people want it to be moderated like a single app. Or, rather microblogging always will be experienced as the simple place? Definitely Black users have experienced racism mainly on place level. And instance -level tools and instance moderation mainly failed to handle it. The main problem, though, is:
One cannot be both a fediverse and a place.
Every initiative to make a place-making tool (but Fediseer, which has been created for Threadi and remains peripherial for Masto) has already received an opposition from communities. Every such an attempt will unwittingly head for takeover of the place by Elon-but-good-one-this-time, and defeat one of the purposes of the federation: independence of the central (not always a just) authority.
So, what to do for Black Twitter to return to the fedi?
Nothing, as now it’s too late. They have already made a home on ATmosphere and created first and main alternative ATProto instance: Blacksky. Nothing ActivityPub-based will be a better experience for them in foreseeable time.The main issue with Mastodon is that literally every single last Mastodon newbie is being told (or at least implied to) during on-boarding that the Fediverse equals Mastodon. Nobody learns upon joining Mastodon that Mastodon is not an enclosed network. That the Fediverse is not only Mastodon. That there’s non-Mastodon stuff connected to Mastodon and constantly pumping non-Mastodon content into Mastodon.
Why? Because that’s easier to understand. A network of tens of thousands of virtually identical Twitters is already much harder to grasp than one Twitter website. It’s basically the maximum of what most people out there, even many die-hard übernerds, can grasp.
Tell them that it’s ackchually a network in which lots of Twitters and lots of different Twitters and lots of yet again different Twitters and lots of Reddits and lots of Facebooks and lots of YouTubes and lots of Instagrams and whatnot are all joined, and that you can follow what amounts to Facebook users or YouTube channels or subreddits from what amounts to Twitter. And they’ll nope out. Whoosh. Too complicated.
At least every other Mastodon user at this point in time “knows” that Mastodon is alone in the Fediverse, that the Fediverse consists of only Mastodon. Many Mastodon users spend literal years believing that. Reply to them from Friendica or Hubzilla in a typical Friendica or Hubzilla way, and they’ll shit brix and block you.
Mastodon’s entire culture is geared towards a Mastodon-only Fediverse. It was basically defined in mid-2022 (which is why it doesn’t include any Mastodon 4.x features either) by those who had fled Twitter in early 2022 after Elon Musk’s announcement to buy Twitter out. None of them knew about a Fediverse outside of Mastodon at that point.
And so you have a Mastodon culture that’s all about Mastodon’s features (or lack thereof), and that at least implies that any features that Mastodon doesn’t have (and that isn’t craved for by the majority of Mastodon users) are bad. You know, like more than 500 characters per post. And yet, Mastodon users are trying hard to force Mastodon’s culture upon places in the Fediverse that are very very much not like Mastodon at all, e.g. Lemmy or PieFed or Friendica or Hubzilla.
This is also why mainstream media, including most tech media, keep hammering on the Fediverse being Mastodon, only Mastodon and nothing but Mastodon. For starters, the truth would be incomprehensible to their audience. Besides, the journalists themselves haven’t understood that either.
As for BlackMastodon, it was another Fediverse = Mastodon thing. At least, nobody there was really Fediverse-savvy worth mentioning. Blackzilla or Blackstreams might have been a success. If only anyone there had known about Hubzilla or (streams).





