Graceful like closing a laptop and putting it in a backpack only to have windows refuse to shutdown and become a heater until it cooks the battery and ruins the screen…
worse. windows literally goes to sleep when i close the lid after i told it to shutdown.
so when i boot it up again, what happens? inevitably it wakes from sleep, only to remember that i told it to shut down, then it shuts down. then i have to boot again.
To be honest, Mint is no better in that regard on my laptop. Closing my laptop and pulling the power adapter always results in the system not going to sleep mode, but remaining active. Opening it will actually cause it to resume going to sleep. Really annoying.
It absolutely isn’t. If a laptop lid is closed, it needs to be sleeping, period. No random updates, no search indexing. I’ve also had this happen after explicitly putting laptops into sleep AND closing the lid. No idea how Apple is the only company able to do this consistently.
If a laptop lid is closed, it needs to be sleeping, period.
See, and here I feel the exact opposite. If it’s docked I don’t want it going to sleep just because I closed the lid. I still want to be able to use the two screens that are attached and in use!
If a screen is connected that’s another thing, though even that can lead to overheating. For example, a lot of modern laptops suck in air through the keyboard and having the lid closed while working messes up their thermal performance, and heats up the screen to an unhealthy degree.
But having it wake up and try installing an update while sitting in a bag, closed and disconnected from a screen, is a straight up fire hazard, and it happened to me multiple times with windows laptops.
hear me out. how about … there doesn’t need to be a background process that runs constantly and consumes 30% of your processing power and makes the fan spin all the time because it generates so much heat.
I am stuck using an otherwise old but theoretically bearable PC at work running Windows 11 from a spinning HDD. But I’ll tell you, when I dug through the registry to turn off all the background indexing nonsense, it became damn near usable.
I haven’t used a mac for over a decade, but for the decade or so before that it never happened to me once, either on an iBook or MBP. Perhaps something changed in the meantime.
Apple laptops are typically extremely good when it comes to sleep and suspend.
A major advantage of having a very small range of hardware you have to support is that it’s pretty easy to test all possible combinations and make sure they work well together. As far as I’m concerned, Apple has been, and probably always will be the undisputed champion of doing this right.
As a long time user of BSD laptops (apple) I’ve never had one surprise me when the screen was closed. FWIW I never buy these bsd laptops, they are given to me by $current.employer for work.
I think I’ve had it happen once over something like a decade of using them. From what I remember it was because I was running something in the terminal that ignored the signals it was sent, so the laptop didn’t properly go to sleep. Of course, the program ended up failing because a lot of the things it depended on did suspend themselves and that caused major breakage.
Luckily I noticed a whining sound (fans at maximum speed) from my backpack before anything too bad happened.
I literally had this happen with my desktop last night, and it’s entirely down to Windows actively choosing to go into sleep mode or not. No activity on the computer, click on sleep, the monitors go off and I started to walk away except I noticed that my keyboard and mouse were still on (the first things to turn off when Windows goes to sleep for me) and the fans were still running. Wiggled the mouse and it had only turned the monitors off. I tried it 2 or 3 more times and Windows kept doing the same thing - putting the monitors to sleep and nothing else. I eventually just straight up shut it down with the power button.
Graceful like closing a laptop and putting it in a backpack only to have windows refuse to shutdown and become a heater until it cooks the battery and ruins the screen…
worse. windows literally goes to sleep when i close the lid after i told it to shutdown.
so when i boot it up again, what happens? inevitably it wakes from sleep, only to remember that i told it to shut down, then it shuts down. then i have to boot again.
This is old windows problem, 11 does not do it on my work pc, I think
Maybe it is vendor specific 🧐
To be honest, Mint is no better in that regard on my laptop. Closing my laptop and pulling the power adapter always results in the system not going to sleep mode, but remaining active. Opening it will actually cause it to resume going to sleep. Really annoying.
Isn’t that more of a PEBCAK?
Nope. Go read about the “modern suspend” a.k.a. S0ix horror stories. Totally the fault of Microsoft+manufacturers, happens in Linux and Windows.
It absolutely isn’t. If a laptop lid is closed, it needs to be sleeping, period. No random updates, no search indexing. I’ve also had this happen after explicitly putting laptops into sleep AND closing the lid. No idea how Apple is the only company able to do this consistently.
See, and here I feel the exact opposite. If it’s docked I don’t want it going to sleep just because I closed the lid. I still want to be able to use the two screens that are attached and in use!
If a screen is connected that’s another thing, though even that can lead to overheating. For example, a lot of modern laptops suck in air through the keyboard and having the lid closed while working messes up their thermal performance, and heats up the screen to an unhealthy degree.
But having it wake up and try installing an update while sitting in a bag, closed and disconnected from a screen, is a straight up fire hazard, and it happened to me multiple times with windows laptops.
Oh yeah for sure. If only we had “bag detection” I would agree.
I’d argue that an overheating when the lid is closed not in a bag is a major design flaw.
I’ve never seen it but I mostly see business laptops not gaming or consumer laptops so shitty designs are out there I’m sure.
hear me out. how about … there doesn’t need to be a background process that runs constantly and consumes 30% of your processing power and makes the fan spin all the time because it generates so much heat.
I am stuck using an otherwise old but theoretically bearable PC at work running Windows 11 from a spinning HDD. But I’ll tell you, when I dug through the registry to turn off all the background indexing nonsense, it became damn near usable.
This absolutely can and does happen on Apple hardware
I haven’t used a mac for over a decade, but for the decade or so before that it never happened to me once, either on an iBook or MBP. Perhaps something changed in the meantime.
Apple laptops are typically extremely good when it comes to sleep and suspend.
A major advantage of having a very small range of hardware you have to support is that it’s pretty easy to test all possible combinations and make sure they work well together. As far as I’m concerned, Apple has been, and probably always will be the undisputed champion of doing this right.
As a long time user of BSD laptops (apple) I’ve never had one surprise me when the screen was closed. FWIW I never buy these bsd laptops, they are given to me by $current.employer for work.
I think I’ve had it happen once over something like a decade of using them. From what I remember it was because I was running something in the terminal that ignored the signals it was sent, so the laptop didn’t properly go to sleep. Of course, the program ended up failing because a lot of the things it depended on did suspend themselves and that caused major breakage.
Luckily I noticed a whining sound (fans at maximum speed) from my backpack before anything too bad happened.
Never happened to me lmao. Apple is for tech illiterates anyways so it’s inconsequential.
I literally had this happen with my desktop last night, and it’s entirely down to Windows actively choosing to go into sleep mode or not. No activity on the computer, click on sleep, the monitors go off and I started to walk away except I noticed that my keyboard and mouse were still on (the first things to turn off when Windows goes to sleep for me) and the fans were still running. Wiggled the mouse and it had only turned the monitors off. I tried it 2 or 3 more times and Windows kept doing the same thing - putting the monitors to sleep and nothing else. I eventually just straight up shut it down with the power button.