We do. It’s the 2nd amendment. Literally what it was written for, the forceful reclamation of democratic freedom should it be taken by a tyrannical leadership. Too bad everyone that actually gives a damn about that option is on red team, and blue team thinks the 2nd amendment is for killing children and nothing else.
We do. It’s the 2nd amendment. Literally what it was written for, the forceful reclamation of democratic freedom should it be taken by a tyrannical leadership.
Except that’s not what it was written for. That’s a modern interpretation.
The 2nd amendment was written because Madison believed a standing army would make the Federal government too powerful, so he didn’t want a large standing army. He wanted each state to have a militia made up of citizens. He changed his mind on the matter after the War of 1812.
You know the 2nd amendment wasn’t about allowing overthrows of the government because the government put down rebellions with weapons in the years following its adoption.
Too bad everyone that actually gives a damn about that option is on red team, and blue team thinks the 2nd amendment is for killing children and nothing else.
Thank you for acknowledging the quiet leftists who take responsibility for ourselves. I’ve been really upset with the crisis-mining nonstop drama panic rhetoric and dis-education about firearms from the Democratic party and their sockpuppet gun-panic action groups.
(While they openly perpetuate systematic issues that increase likelihood of gun violence, of course.)
Now firearms ownership is disproportionately in the hands of conspiracy nuts and goose-stepping good-ol-boys, while many liberals are dogmatically hoplophobic and ignorant about them.
Educate your friends, get them out to the range, and by Almighty God keep close social ties on each other’s mental health.
I want to solve our problems with words and witty reparté, but all those safeguards are quickly breaking down and we’re seeing an increasing threat of mobilizing angry everyday-sadists looking to hurt people, and stern memorandums aren’t gonna cut it.
This is exactly why I’ve always maintained that the 2nd amendment against tyranny is complete and utter horseshit. There will never, ever, be a case in which civilians can take up arms against the US government and have any remote shot of doing anything. Any tyrannical government will get to where they are with such significant support they will be so ridiculously protected you’d have to take on the entire military and legal branches of the USA.
In 1814 when everyone had a flintlock pistol? Sure. Now? Have fun getting remote drone striked before you even step foot into Washington D.C.
Yeah, let’s just organize 100,000+ people right under the nose of the US government, on the damn homefront, to overthrow a tyrannical government, all the while being spied on via every backdoor on Earth by the NSA. Good luck and have fun having your house burned down.
Let’s pretend any of that actually matters and the US government doesn’t have a history of losing to locals, and ask the following: what happens if you willingly disarm yourself? Criminals will still have guns, your police will still shoot “less-lethal” rounds into the heads of protesters, and you will still be oppressed.
What do you get out of this? A fraction of the illusion of safety? And all it cost you was the last defense against oppression anyone has.
Then just move.
I know the current administration is happy you are spreading propaganda that states to roll over since there’s nothing to do.
You are the maga hero.
Look, I’m not saying to just roll over, but wtf are we supposed to do. The second amendment is there, I don’t see anyone utilizing it, and I don’t think they ever will.
If only the current administration could be paralleled with start of nazi germany with evocative imagery and slogans and made into memes and posted everywhere in order to get past the internet censoring. That could get more people thinking that a government they do not control is in nobody’s interests or something.
The 2A is there for you to do things, but it’s not only simply about rising up. It’s about instrumentalization. When every citizen can be armed “just in case”, all you need is for that to statistically compound into a Luigi or two getting three lucky marked shots on the tyrant du jour.
I believe in the 2nd Amendment, but certainly NOT to overthrow the government for light and transient causes. I don’t take Trump lightly, but he hasn’t turned into a total despot yet. There is grave risk, but there’s also a chance his abuses will lead to reforms that limit Executive branch powers. I think many non-Republicans like our guns as much as Republicans, but we don’t bluster about them and unlike Republicans we don’t rebel because our candidate lost an election.
This is destroying the Agency. People come to work terrified every day. I don’t know a single competent and qualified person who isn’t actively looking for work elsewhere and the only people who will be left to serve our Veterans are those with no other choices. The amount of sheer experience, knowledge, and brainpower being lost is irreplaceable, and the trust is already broken. We’ll never get it back. I am heartbroken that so many Republicans deeply, deeply hate us for doing our best every single day to serve Veterans. I will never forgive them for this.
I don’t know what you think despotism looks like, but this sure as hell isn’t democracy nor is it a republic. This has nothing to do with losing an election, this has to do with some people’s fantasy that Trump will ever give up power. I guess we need to wait until evidence surfaces, and then only iron clad evidence that the worst is happening will possibly motivate them, maybe.
I disagree with your overall assessment that we are experiencing “light” or “transient” causes for general revolt.
I think the most likely the despotism and the scenario @HK65@sopuli.xyz describes will not happen. The thing is if they do happen, they are disastrous. It’s similar to how in Russian roulette you’ll probably be fine. I don’t know what level of risk justifies a armed rebellion. At this point an armed rebellion would turn a disaster that might happen into a certain disaster.
I am not saying to appease them or not protest. I am still hoping the US can be saved without violent rebellion.
That moment was Jan 6th. There was no heavy and hard change in Hitler’s Germany from the Beer Hall Putsch all the way to Stalingrad and the gas chambers. It’s all boiling the frog from here to there. Every change will seem like a light and transient one. By the time you feel you should go all in on the 2A, you will be mostly alone. That is by design.
In fact, we are already in the Gleichschaltung and the appeasement phase.
We do. It’s the 2nd amendment. Literally what it was written for, the forceful reclamation of democratic freedom should it be taken by a tyrannical leadership. Too bad everyone that actually gives a damn about that option is on red team, and blue team thinks the 2nd amendment is for killing children and nothing else.
Except that’s not what it was written for. That’s a modern interpretation.
The 2nd amendment was written because Madison believed a standing army would make the Federal government too powerful, so he didn’t want a large standing army. He wanted each state to have a militia made up of citizens. He changed his mind on the matter after the War of 1812.
You know the 2nd amendment wasn’t about allowing overthrows of the government because the government put down rebellions with weapons in the years following its adoption.
Thank you for acknowledging the quiet leftists who take responsibility for ourselves. I’ve been really upset with the crisis-mining nonstop drama panic rhetoric and dis-education about firearms from the Democratic party and their sockpuppet gun-panic action groups.
(While they openly perpetuate systematic issues that increase likelihood of gun violence, of course.)
Now firearms ownership is disproportionately in the hands of conspiracy nuts and goose-stepping good-ol-boys, while many liberals are dogmatically hoplophobic and ignorant about them.
Reminder that the Socialist Rifle Association is a thing.
Educate your friends, get them out to the range, and by Almighty God keep close social ties on each other’s mental health.
I want to solve our problems with words and witty reparté, but all those safeguards are quickly breaking down and we’re seeing an increasing threat of mobilizing angry everyday-sadists looking to hurt people, and stern memorandums aren’t gonna cut it.
I mean, to be fair, the red team thinks it’s pretty much only for killing children too…
It’s ok once they’re born, god only loves fetuses.
This is exactly why I’ve always maintained that the 2nd amendment against tyranny is complete and utter horseshit. There will never, ever, be a case in which civilians can take up arms against the US government and have any remote shot of doing anything. Any tyrannical government will get to where they are with such significant support they will be so ridiculously protected you’d have to take on the entire military and legal branches of the USA.
In 1814 when everyone had a flintlock pistol? Sure. Now? Have fun getting remote drone striked before you even step foot into Washington D.C.
The Taliban won and they don’t have advanced technology.
Yeah, let’s just organize 100,000+ people right under the nose of the US government, on the damn homefront, to overthrow a tyrannical government, all the while being spied on via every backdoor on Earth by the NSA. Good luck and have fun having your house burned down.
Let’s pretend any of that actually matters and the US government doesn’t have a history of losing to locals, and ask the following: what happens if you willingly disarm yourself? Criminals will still have guns, your police will still shoot “less-lethal” rounds into the heads of protesters, and you will still be oppressed.
What do you get out of this? A fraction of the illusion of safety? And all it cost you was the last defense against oppression anyone has.
I really don’t care to get into overarching discussion of the 2nd amendment, it’s been done to death. It’s also not what this conversation was about.
Then just move. I know the current administration is happy you are spreading propaganda that states to roll over since there’s nothing to do. You are the maga hero.
Look, I’m not saying to just roll over, but wtf are we supposed to do. The second amendment is there, I don’t see anyone utilizing it, and I don’t think they ever will.
If only the current administration could be paralleled with start of nazi germany with evocative imagery and slogans and made into memes and posted everywhere in order to get past the internet censoring. That could get more people thinking that a government they do not control is in nobody’s interests or something.
The 2A is there for you to do things, but it’s not only simply about rising up. It’s about instrumentalization. When every citizen can be armed “just in case”, all you need is for that to statistically compound into a Luigi or two getting three lucky marked shots on the tyrant du jour.
When CW II kicks off some people will be caught, some people will be thrown in prison, and some people will be killed.
Remember it’s “home of the brave”, not “home of the cowards”.
I have yet to be proven otherwise.
It’s already been proven.
Ah, okay, my bad.
Yeah idk man, once they start putting IEDs on I-90 things are gonna change real quick.
I believe in the 2nd Amendment, but certainly NOT to overthrow the government for light and transient causes. I don’t take Trump lightly, but he hasn’t turned into a total despot yet. There is grave risk, but there’s also a chance his abuses will lead to reforms that limit Executive branch powers. I think many non-Republicans like our guns as much as Republicans, but we don’t bluster about them and unlike Republicans we don’t rebel because our candidate lost an election.
From a VA employee:
https://open.substack.com/pub/progressreport/p/revenge-of-the-whiny-pampered-baby?r=2lkdbh
I don’t know what you think despotism looks like, but this sure as hell isn’t democracy nor is it a republic. This has nothing to do with losing an election, this has to do with some people’s fantasy that Trump will ever give up power. I guess we need to wait until evidence surfaces, and then only iron clad evidence that the worst is happening will possibly motivate them, maybe.
I disagree with your overall assessment that we are experiencing “light” or “transient” causes for general revolt.
I think the most likely the despotism and the scenario @HK65@sopuli.xyz describes will not happen. The thing is if they do happen, they are disastrous. It’s similar to how in Russian roulette you’ll probably be fine. I don’t know what level of risk justifies a armed rebellion. At this point an armed rebellion would turn a disaster that might happen into a certain disaster.
I am not saying to appease them or not protest. I am still hoping the US can be saved without violent rebellion.
That moment was Jan 6th. There was no heavy and hard change in Hitler’s Germany from the Beer Hall Putsch all the way to Stalingrad and the gas chambers. It’s all boiling the frog from here to there. Every change will seem like a light and transient one. By the time you feel you should go all in on the 2A, you will be mostly alone. That is by design.
In fact, we are already in the Gleichschaltung and the appeasement phase.
dude… they’re making concentration camps. This isn’t just a “candidate”