• Waker@lemmy.ml
    248·
    1 年前

    Can we stop posting political memes?.. It’s getting annoying.

    • Levsgetso@lemmy.zipEnglish
      41·
      1 年前

      It’s not we, this guy is the only person posting these political memes here. I hate blocking users but posting multiple memes a day trying to push your agenda is pretty annoying.

      • Waker@lemmy.ml
        4·
        1 年前

        Ah yes, I just noticed his instance. You’re probably correct!, great tip.

    • theEmeraldM@lemmy.zip
      96·
      1 年前

      Yeah. Although I like socialism and partially agree with the meme, I’m really tired of constantly seeing political memes, so at this point I just down vote any political meme that I see lol

        • Cleverdawny@lemm.ee
          46·
          1 年前

          Tbh I think the worst thing for the socialist movement is the history of what happens when socialism runs into economic and political reality. But a good number two is internal discord between socialists, yeah

          • deft@ttrpg.network
            83·
            1 年前

            You spelled the central intelligence agency and western intelligence apparatus wrong

            • Cleverdawny@lemm.ee
              33·
              1 年前

              Yes, yes, everything is the evil CIA’s fault. Never mind that the communists had their own intelligence agencies! They didn’t have any agency and all their actions were puppeted by the evil capitalists because of how amazingly competent capitalists apparently are. But yeah no let’s do communism because even in a brutal dictatorship some liberals can beat the shit out of us in technology, economic prosperity, soft power, hard power, and diplomacy.

              Go touch some grass, tankie scum

              • deft@ttrpg.network
                32·
                1 年前

                Sure.

                So anyway Henry Kissinger is a name you should look up. Allen Dulles. George HW Bush. Roy Cohn. Good places to start.

                Also the term Whataboutism fits here. I’m saying socialism isn’t allowed to exist because of the Western Capitalism supplied Intelligence Agencies. What are you talking about?

                • Cleverdawny@lemm.ee
                  21·
                  1 年前

                  Gorbachev, Stalin, Brezhnev, Lenin, etc, etc. Communists tried to make sure capitalism couldn’t exist far harder than capitalists did for communism. And it was communists who declared that particular war. Lenin, in fact, is the architect of institutions like the comintern which took that as their goal.

              • deft@ttrpg.network
                21·
                1 年前

                When will these hate crimes against strawmen end!!

                Socialism isn’t a single system bud, neither is capitalism. Are you suggesting the current state of any society on this planet is utopian? Probably not.

                More capitalist countries and empires have fallen than socialist ones. More death happens because of the structure of capitalism. Capitalism has caused more wars. It has existed longer, there’s literally no arguing any of what I just stated.

                Are any of these arguments good to stop someone from exploring what capitalism can do or offer? No. So stop being stupid.

                Historically also, no. No socialist country was allowed to exist without foreign interference.

                Stop boiling everything down to a meme you halfwit. We absolutely need more socialist policymaking and a genuine consideration of what society needs to look like.

    • rjs001@lemmygrad.ml
      13·
      1 年前

      I can’t find a single meme that isn’t political. Whether you like it or not there is political messaging in every single piece of media

      • Waker@lemmy.ml
        11·
        1 年前

        Well I didn’t mean it like that. I obviously meant memes that the sole purpose is to bait the opposing party into raging in the comments.

        The occasional meme and critique should be fine though.

        • rjs001@lemmygrad.ml
          12·
          1 年前

          I think the only reason some appear less political to you is that you aren’t the oppressed in those memes

          • Waker@lemmy.ml
            1·
            1 年前

            Nah. I just don’t care. I don’t go for memes for the political content.

            If I want to discuss politics I’ll do it elsewhere.

            • rjs001@lemmygrad.ml
              11·
              1 年前

              The very claim that you don’t care only shows that you are privileged and hence can ignore the political aspects

              • Waker@lemmy.ml
                1·
                1 年前

                Maybe I didn’t get my point across clearly, that’s on me. English is not my first language.

                What I meant is, I don’t care about politics on the MEMES community. It’s not against the rules, but my opinion is that politics should stay out of “hehe that’s funny” content.

                Political content on here only serves to further divide and annoy people. Politics should be discussed just not on here (again, imo)

  • Cleverdawny@lemm.ee
    1610·
    1 年前

    It’ll work this time, guys! Communism won’t mean dictatorship, guys! I promise that there won’t be economic stagnation this time, guys! Trust me! I know this, because I believe it!

        • ssboomman@lemm.ee
          111·
          1 年前

          Ah yes grocery stores, the only businesses under capitalism.

          Are you serious? You don’t think large corporations are running this country?

          • tilcica@lemm.ee
            5·
            1 年前

            ever heard of blackrock?

            a small family business that basically runs the world :D

    • TimeSquirrel@kbin.social
      43·
      1 年前

      Have we tried maybe…NOT putting anyone in charge of everyone and THEN trying socialism/communism? There are other theories we haven’t explored yet…🏴

      And we just may be at the point where technology can make this happen.

      Just take a look at the self-organizing nature of the open source software industry. No one player has absolute control of anything, yet it thrives.

      • Cleverdawny@lemm.ee
        33·
        1 年前

        That’s basically the underpants gnomes theory of politics.

        1. Communism but no leadership!

        2. ???

        3. Utopia!!! Don’t ask me how to get there

        • rjs001@lemmygrad.ml
          12·
          1 年前

          You use the word tankie unironically. Do you think that lends you any credibility as oppose to making you appear silly and unserious?

          • Cleverdawny@lemm.ee
            1·
            1 年前

            It’s an accurate description of scum sucking authoritarian megafans of history’s greatest monsters federated in from Lemmygrad and Hexbear, like you

            • rjs001@lemmygrad.ml
              11·
              1 年前

              Oh hahaha, it’s very funny to see that you are fully trying to be unironically in using this term. What’s next? I’m coolio?

  • SaltyIceteaMaker@lemmy.ml
    126·
    1 年前

    The problem isn’t with capitalism but the people that take advantage of it.

    You can take advantage of socialism too.

    tho i wouldn’t mind me some socialism

    • ssboomman@lemm.ee
      92·
      1 年前

      Nope. Capitalism inherently exploits the working class. Exploitation is not inherent to socalism. Both system are corruptible, but capitalism starts out that way.

      • Rottcodd@kbin.social
        31·
        1 年前

        Exploitation is inherent to any system in which there is an established hierarchy, which necessarily includes any and all systems in which there is institutionalized authority, entirely regardless of the economic system in place.

        Leaving institutionalized authority in place and merely switching from a capitalist to a socialist system only changes the specific hoops the exploiters have to jump through to gain and maintain privilege - instead of gaining wealth and using it to buy political power, they have to, and do, gain political power and use it to commandeer wealth.

        If you want to fight exploitation, you need to go all the way to the real source and fight the institutionalization of authority.

        Any time anyone has the power to rule, you axiomatically have a ruling class.

        • ssboomman@lemm.ee
          31·
          1 年前

          Libertarian socalism. I 100% agree. All unjustifiable hierarchies must go. Including all that are established by violence and coercion.

    • deft@ttrpg.network
      7·
      1 年前

      Literally this.

      In any system their will be abuse, from hacking in video games to corruption in politics.

      The thing is though I’d rather we be corrupt and feeding/housing those who need it rather than be corrupt and not doing those things

      • ssboomman@lemm.ee
        21·
        1 年前

        So let’s pick a system that doesn’t incentivize corruption. If it’s going to happen, let’s not encourage it.

        • deft@ttrpg.network
          1·
          1 年前

          But what does that look like and how do you establish it without accidentally murdering millions.

          The wheels of history are lubricant for the wheels of history, evil shit but true. Whenever we want to move history we need to always consider who is being harmed.

          Our system sucks but turning it off will inevitably cause a shock of some degree and that harms people.

          Literally a kobayashi maru

          • ssboomman@lemm.ee
            1·
            1 年前

            What an idiotic argument. So what? Should we stop trying to progress at all as a society because it could hurt people? Removing this exploitive system will help more than it’ll harm. No contest.