How are you able to understand it’s capability without understanding what tools it is capable of manipulating to effect?

If you are not interested in how it completes the task then you are not an authority on how it works.

It’s relevant to what the parent was saying about LLMs. The success of the LLM in using mathematical tools does not contradict what they were saying. To then accuse them of lying because of a misunderstanding is… bad form.

Aren’t you the least bit curious what tools they gave the LLM and how the LLM used those tools? It’s like back in math class you are asked to solve a quadratic formula but you forgot how. So you use the calculator to try different numbers and the calculator is telling you if you are getting closer. Sure I got the right answer, but it’s hardly a testament to my math skills.

You know the “DeepMind and OpenAi models” is the hint that the LLM model is not the one doing the math. The LLM provides a hypothesis and the DeepMind model provides grounding or feedback on whether the hypothesis even makes sense or works.

Using computers to search for a counter example to a conjecture isn’t exactly new ground and I suspect they did so with the aide of some harness tweaks like some numerical LSP. Like cool, it pushed the envelope but like what the parent said, they grafted on the ability to do a specific task.

Fair enough. The crux of my argument is self awareness is an evolutionary trait for evolutionary purposes. If you sim/emulate the same processes in a different environment then it does not serve the evolutionary purposes of the organism, its definitionally not self awareness. To put it another way, the system doing the simulation is less efficient then the thing it is simulating. And energy efficiency is part of what self awareness delivers to an evolutionary system. To be clear I am not ruling out a machine can be aware of its own economy as part of making it intelligent, I am just saying a simulation distorts the very economy that self awareness is to operate on.

Being self aware of myself and my surroundings but not aware of the entire world does not make me not self aware. Same as an entity in a simulation could potentially be self aware but not aware of being in a simulation.

Let’s take this to it’s full conclusion to see why this is not a meaningful distinction. I am not even aware of every cell in my own body, you don’t even need to make reference to the outside world to argue we are not self aware. This line of reasoning makes self-awareness a rather meaningless word.

And stating why I think the simulation hypothesis is not adequate is not the same as disregarding, even if I didn’t fully explain the reasons.

Sure, and how do you know your thoughts are your own? Like if you have to defend your position by questioning the nature of reality then you got bigger problems.

Go read what Turing proposed, it is a lot more complex then how it is often parroted. There are many more tests that the latest models would not pass, like explaining poetry (that it was not trained on)

I see the point that the LLM is closer to a 1bit perceptron then it is to the brain?

A simulation that isn’t aware that it is a simulation is not self-aware, which is a qualitative difference from what is being simulated. Consciousness isn’t like some rom you can emulate.

I meam that’s how it was after the founding of the USA. See the sedition act.

We have Facebook …

We wouldn’t even call it AI anything then. The whole framing as it is now is to undermine creative work. It’s hard to imagine how it would even remotely resemble what it is now, a cold reading con.

Ehh, the devil is in the details. Most DAC techniques requires more energy to capture the CO2 then the energy used to produce the CO2. This particular site might not have that issue, the article doesn’t say, but they are pumping the CO2 underground to be stored. Which sounds a lot like phracking… (I doubt they are pumping the CO2 into the rocks as a gas)

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Kill_line

The concept of “kill line” is incompatible with such a view point.

Didn’t we fight a cold war over this? The Soviets wanted a top down internet and it was more expensive and less capable

Depends. What do you think about a suicide as a response from being laid off?