Different cultures and different people deal with this sort of stuff in different ways.

I wasn’t in NYC at the time, but I had been in the twin towers one month before the attack. I was working in London during the attack, my building for evacuated. Still, when I heard that a radio station had played “it’s raining men” during the attack, it was a big oof but also a very good if tasteless joke. And that was the same year!

The British have a great sense of humour for dealing with tragedy. After the 7/7 bombings, an old chap on the news was saying “I’ve been bombed by a better class of bastard than this”, and the next day office staff across the whole financial centre, at least, all lined the roads at 11am. Both in remembrance, and in defiance of the attackers.

Some people find stuff sacrosanct and feel it can’t be mentioned, let alone be the basis of a joke. And some feel humour is a way to humanise, process and deal with a tragedy. But let it be clear it is never mocking the tragedy or victims, it is usually looking for some funny angle on something inconsequential compared to the tragedy.

(Of course there are examples to the contrary, I’m giving an overall view of the reaction there at the time and since)

Ayyyy Come on guyyyyyy relaaaaax

The one for Predator is hilarious - done after the fact they can’t remember half the movie, and lots of amazing stories come out, such as the heat-camera not working in the jungle (as everything is hot) so they tried dousing the scenery in ice water, making the cast stand next to a fire, then quickly record it. It didn’t work well.

Starting a post with “Wrong.” and listing a few items that support your view is… Well it gives me Reddit energy, not a good thing. ;)

Here are some counterexamples that negate it: “I’ll be ready in a couple of minutes”, “it’s a couple of miles away”.

This does not always mean exactly two. I mean, if you just want to yell out “it always means exactly two!” Then that’s on you, but in the English language everyone else in the world uses, it often means two, but can also mean around but not exactly two, depending on the use case.

Look on communities for stable diffusion or flux. The latest stuff is eerily good.

Weird intersectional porn.

I think you didn’t understand my comment. " thousands of lemmy users being drowned out by millions of Threads users, who are a different demographic, have different goals for the platform" specifically.

My s23 ultra totally smokes iphones on camera quality, battery life, and screen. UI is of course subjective and people like what they’re used to.

I agree with all of this.

As you said, “if it is problematic for a day or two”. It could be enormously problematic.

You fail to understand the benefit, and I don’t need to convince you, it’s still correct :)

Up to 70 million as of a day ago https://www.bloomberg.com/news/articles/2023-07-07/meta-s-threads-has-70-million-signups-surprising-zuckerberg

I’m not concerned how many of these are real users - all the shills, the bots, are even worse than real users as they will just be spewing their propaganda around as much as possible.

Adding ONE million users overnight to the fediverse would be disruptive enough, 10x the biggest day from the influx from reddit. We’re looking at orders of magnitude more than that.

I disagree entirely, that’s simply incorrect. You can observe whether it is a cesspool or not whether you federate or not. The federation will not affect it at all. Everyone is able to go and use Threads, we won’t need to rely on “random screenshots or hearsay”, or to federate in order to see whether it’s good or not.

It’s an unknown quantity, 1000x bigger than the current fediverse. If we federate then block, there is just a mess to clean up. And you know the first few days are going to be a nightmare anyway, as they are with any social media platform, while the controls spin up and new ways to abuse them are found.

The benefit to doing it early is to let it land and let the smoke clear before making a judgement, without creating a mess for existing users. This is really obvious.

I don’t agree with this notion of “facebook content” vs “fediverse” content or anything like that. Content is just content, it’s links, it’s media, whatever. It’s not “facebook shit” any more than reddit shit or lemmy shit. Content is a by-product of the users, so who/what the userbase is is extremely important - and that is why how it is marketed, who it appeals to and so forth, and the relative scale. thousands of lemmy users being drowned out by millions of Threads users, who are a different demographic, have different goals for the platform, and so forth, is the real issue.

You acknowledge that you have moved on from platforms when facebook/meta have got involved, and you’re welcome to take your decisions on this, but it runs into problems in a federated environment where the goal is to increase interoperability by default.

Don’t get me wrong, I think our goals are the same, to have an environment where people can talk and share links that is relatively exclusive / for like-minded people. I just don’t think the angle of facebook/not facebook is the right one (tbh I would go further - I would not integrate, but not because of the provenance/company, but because of the users’ expectations coming over from Threads)

Given the relative scales, it’s best to put protection in place, then wait and see.

If Threads is a positive place, we open up and nothing is lost.

If Threads is a(nother) cesspit of hate and bots, then we have protected ourselves from it.

It’s not about Zuckerberg, it’s about the userbase. With something that grew to 30 million users literally overnight, it’s impossible to determine what it will be like, and how it will mesh with the existing fediverse content/users.

With something this scale, it only makes sense to secure and observe - pre-emptively block, watch the content, maybe even poll the users on what should be done. There is nothing to be lost this way, it’s only a cautious approach towards a potential later link.

What could be lost is the Threads community overwhelms the lemmy community before there is a chance to react (it is 1000x bigger, after all). It makes sense to be cautious, here.

This isn’t inconveniencing anyone, any user can make an account on Threads as well and use both right now.