ZahzenEclipse

I guess your world is only black and white ay?

This meme is a bit dishonest because its about Chinese government harvesting this data not about companies harvesting it. Both are bad but ones substantially worse.

I trust them more than “alt” historians who use flimsy evidence.

I’m not sure I’d trust non historians about history.

Well you took the cowards way out. I was hoping you’d actually try to contend with any of the many points they made as it would be an interesting conversation but you had to lean on ad homs in the end.

Okay, but what does a system look like that moves past both? How do you ensure people get resources if you don’t want capitalism or a planned economy?

I agree broadly with much of your assessment of history and many of the problems that bely current western society. The rich might be exploiting capitalism to their benefit but a capitalist system with proper regulation will always be better (in terms of Quality of life and freedom) for larger groups of people Than a planned economy.

Anything that broke the “echochamber” is what got downvoted but this was never strictly about downvoting it was about moderation so im not sure why you shifted the focus to downvotes. We know you’re trying to essentially say the people who got downvoted or moderated deserved it because they said things so “bad” they deserved to be moderated. I’m not sure that’s always true or even mostly true.

You’re right that free speech typically means the ability to speak freely without government intervention but I think you’re being obtuse if you don’t see how those implications could be limited by corporations online and if you’re comfortable with censorship online not being democratically decided upon that’s cool but I don’t trust the corporations as much as you do i guess.

You need free speech to ensure teachers don’t get fired for teaching science. I’d be care about removing that ability from other roles and people just because you disagree with the premise.

In that sense, at least they are transparent a put being authoritarian. There are too many “populist left” spaces where those things aren’t spelled out and you’ll be banned for a vague rule that could be anything and everything. I despise when they don’t give transparency to their rules and how they enforce them. It’s generally bad too imo. That being said, mods have a hard fucking job admittedly and they aren’t paid.

Are you in favor of firing teachers who day things that go against common popular teachings in an area?

Your mocking of this situation makes me feel you’d be in favor of laws that fire teachers for teaching evolution for example.

Thats not a very good argument at all. You’re literally stating “well since majority agrees with it, it must mean somethings wrong with you.” How could possibly think this is healthy or good way to engage with ideas different than the “mainstream”?

Is this the first time the “mainstram” is right?

I wasn’t trolling at all. I’m not sure how that could be your take away with the information I gave. I guess you’re in favor of moderation that limits discussion and opposing viewpoints. Most authoritarian are though so I can’t be suprised.

Arguing with a mod isn’t trolling. Disagreeing with a mods decisions isn’t spam or harassment. I guess you’ve found a great way to control speech you don’t like though. Anytime someone says something you dislike call it trolling, spam and harrassment and oila, you can effectively control every message board in existence.

I think its mistake to simply play these folks off as people who want to say racial slurs or something.

There’s ways to “not follow the hive mind” without getting banned. There’s a reason why daily wire is able to be on YouTube and reddit for example.

My reddit account was recently perm banned for messaging a mod who banned me from a sub for mockingly repeating their policy back to them on attribution and OC. Granted, I was perma banned for “harrassment”. I am skeptical of the people you are talking about as well as many of them are kinda awful community members but I think its a mistake to dismiss all these guys as people who just want to say racial slurs or something.