I am still not quite sure how they differ because both require slow buildup of a mass of people to eventually overthrow the people at the top and eventually replace them with a stateless classless system

I use Iceraven for my phone

Here is a github link for the android app https://github.com/fork-maintainers/iceraven-browser

I don’t particularly see how top down would work because as you said the capitalist class aren’t going to replace themselves so without a push from the bottom there will be no change and if you try and go bottom first it will be stifled and crushed out by the people currently in power unless it is a coordinated action from a large percentage of the lower class to no longer recognize their authority and just do it.

I don’t believe that people should be forced at gunpoint into jobs they don’t want but I could see non monitary benefits being used to incentivize workers move to places that need them at the very least until we have a stable system if not longer than that

As far as immediately going stateless I could see that being done in a sense but it would require those communities build up a force large enough to defend themselves from the state and unless the communities come up with a way to link together for mutual aid and become a union that is for all intents and purposes a state that can act together as one I feel it would be near impossible to best a pre existing state especially one with a massive military force already.

Not sure If that made sense but the way you explained the difference did help as I rambled my way through

I feel like all of them are completely right and also have blindingly massive holes in them because that is how all systems seem to be but also I would be down to have any of them in power over the commically evil and corrupt billionaires we have in power now

I am still trying to figure out what label fits me because on some point I do completely agree with the ml’s but also on others I fully agree with anarchists and on other ones I can see the merits of both but haven’t done enough research or seen enough places using those systems to form a solid opinion on what meets the needs of people better

Here I am with Iceraven Firefox brave duckduckgo and iceraven on my phone and both floorp and libreWolf on my computer

Wasn’t tankie originally cold war British Communist slang to refer to people who agreed that the Hungarian revolution of 1956-1968 Was funded by the CIA and that rolling the tanks in was as such an appropriate response

(No I don’t have this memorized so I had to double check but that was the original meaning)