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@dogslayeggs I know you were only talking about cars. My point is you can’t only think about cars because there are too many other factors, including drivers of other cars who don’t know whether or not they can go if the other “driver” doesn’t indicate whether they’ve seen them or not. It’s not about “banning people for not waving”, it’s that if someone doesn’t let the other person through, nobody moves. The endpoint will be everyone hating Waymos and always going first.

@dogslayeggs this is not a good solution unless you’re expecting to mandate that all pedestrians, cyclists, scooter riders, guide dogs, whatever, wear them too, and that all existing cars are retrofitted with them. Kind of dystopian.

@Aux I’d call it “predictably unpredictable”! Plus the “cyclist swerving round a pothole” roulette.

@ripcord unpredictable but maybe not standard practice? Just a guess, could be a bad assumption! British driving culture is reliant on eye contact and waves and nods and flashes - you have to signal if you’re giving way (to other drivers as well), and say thank you; lots of places where there’s only room for one vehicle on a two way road and someone has to decide who’s going. Might be my failure of imagination but I don’t know how that works with no driver.

@SippyCup I have never heard a single good thing from anyone who works with or for them.

@MoreFPSmorebetter it’s not called jaywalking here, it’s just called crossing the road, and there are plenty of places where if it’s busy if you just kind of wait hopefully someone will wave you across. Or you look for a big enough gap that you can’t make it all the way across but a driver will see you and have to slow. We also have zebra crossings which you just wait next to and drivers have to stop; up to the driver to interpret if someone is just standing around or waiting to cross.

@MoreFPSmorebetter @vegeta I just can’t see this type of tech working in places with a more pedestrian-first culture / more unpredictable human behaviour, i.e. countries without jaywalking laws. If you tried to drive this through London and people realised it will just have to automatically stop for you (and also *won’t* stop for you out of politeness if you wait hopefully) then everyone will just walk in front of it. What’s the plan, special “don’t stop the Waymo” laws?

@Curious_Canid @vegeta this is the case for the Amazon “just walk out” shops as well. Like Waymo they frame it as the humans “just doing the hard part” but who knows what “annotating” means in this context? And notably it’s clearly more expensive to run than they thought as they’ve decided to do Dash Carts instead which looks like it’s basically a portable self-service checkout. The customer does the checking. https://www.theverge.com/2024/4/17/24133029/amazon-just-walk-out-cashierless-ai-india

@meco03211 @Jayk0b cars can’t either - it’s a false premise. Not everything is drive-thru. How far is, say, the bakery section from your car when you go to the supermarket?

@octopus_ink yes I think we will eventually learn (there is clearly a lot of pushback against the idea that AI is a positive marketing term), and it’s also definitely the fault of marketing, to try to condition us into thinking we desperately need a sentient computer to help us instead of knowing good search terms. I am deeply uncomfortable with how people are using LLMs as a search engine or a future prediction machine.

it’s like seeing faces in wood knots or Jesus in toast

@manicdave Even saying it’s “trying” to do something is a mischaracterisation. I do the same, but as a society we need new vocab for LLMs to stop people anthropomorphizing them so much. It is just a word frequency machine. It can’t read or write or think or feel or say or listen or understand or hallucinate or know truth from lies. It just calculates. For some reason people recognise it in the image processing ones but they can’t see that the word ones do the exact same thing.

@RejZoR @floofloof yeah AI will get worse and worse the more it trains on its own output. I can only see “walled-garden” AIs trained on specific datasets for specific industries being useful in future. These enormous “we can do everything (we can’t do anything)” LLMs will die a death.

@NotSteve_ @alphabethunter the funniest ones are people who go “to Europe” on holiday and then get confused when they can’t get exactly the coffee they are used to. I do think the algorithm pushes this stuff in people’s faces though. I left after the day the US wasn’t on it and I suddenly got shown Aussies and Canadians and English-speaking Africans and Europeans. Made me realise quite how bad the feed was normally.

@NotSteve_ @alphabethunter spent some time on TikTok between the election and the inauguration and the defaultism is reeeeally apparent on there. There was a big thing about Robbie Williams being “some guy who was big in the UK” at Christmas, and recently another one about how jacket potatoes and baked beans are “war rations”. And endlessly recurring takes on how the US is more culturally diverse than Europe because it is … bigger. The video element makes it all so much more *out there*.

@GoofSchmoofer @Bronzie I’ve been watching and I think quite a lot has already been happening, it’s just not well covered by the news. A lot of big, furious town halls are just organically happening (Rs are scared to turn up). 50501 and Indivisible have organised a lot of stuff. And some of the Tesla Takedowns have been huge.

@Bronzie @GoofSchmoofer I get it, from the UK. We’ve had the same uncanny valley experience with Brexit going on for years and the same incompetence from politicians (who STILL pretend a massive majority voted “no deal” rather than 52% voting “mystery box”). If it’s any consolation, after a really dragged-out leaving process where we didn’t see any effects for years, most people now think it was a terrible idea. Hopefully the swift insanity going on in the US means minds will change quicker.

@danc4498 agree! Just interesting to note that someone is trying a new instance. Unclear, as you say, what control they will have.

@danc4498 @Aatube I’m not quite sure how it’s set up, but someone is trying it: https://bsky.app/profile/transrights.northsky.social/post/3lkm5ii4mo22w