I thought it said hug 😔

Do you not get cravings for food?

Eating is enjoyable, and to eat different foods is a different experience. Different smells, tastes, textures. Some people enjoy the experience of eating meat, they enjoy the taste, the texture. When they quit eating meat for ethical issues they still remember that they enjoyed meat.

So if you enjoy eating meat and only stopped due to the ethical issues, why wouldn’t you create a substitute?

It’s like a lesbian! Just because you aren’t attracted to a man, or don’t want to be with one, doesn’t mean you can’t enjoy a dildo.

Parents didn’t beat me enough as a kid.

Can this power be taught?

Who said it’s stopping the sub from functioning?

I get that someone hoarding subs is uncool

So you know your questions are stupid?

God I hope you’re 13 if you’re throwing ‘boomer’ around 😂

Keto jacked my libido thank you very much! I could probably murder an elk with my dick.

Hard to grasp as in, you’re against animal cruelty, but still, you’d like to eat products that resemble meat.

This seems pretty simple to me, plant based alternatives looking like meat doesn’t make them equitable to animal cruelty.

Why would something be stopping them from posting?

If you’re completely exhausted after your day it’s possible something deeper is going on

Just a rando passing by. I wanted to say I really appreciate you breaking this down. This type of head to head debating is what I was really hoping to find on Lemmy.

I never called Bob at the hardware store ruling class 🙃 but the ruling class is patriarchal and composed of men.

Okay… So previously in our discussion you dismissed systemic misandry, because “it’s not a power structure”.

If Bob isn’t considered apart of the ruling class, then the oppression of Bob, and other men by the ruling class IS a power structure, and fits your definition of systemic misandry.

And by all means you don’t have to engage with me. The only thing I’m really expecting you to teach me is the biases in your rhetoric, so no pressure.

Men literally can’t suffer from a power structure by your definition of those terms. It’s not that men don’t experience oppression from power structures, it’s that your definition of power structures is oppression by a “ruling class”, and you see men as that “ruling class”, so by your definition they can’t be oppressed by their own power structure. It has nothing to do with men as individuals.

THIS is why you need to expand your perspective. That line of reasoning is complete mental gymnastics. It’s friggen hilarious how feminists justify their own bigiotry, and reinforce the perceptives they claim cause so much harm.

Like you may not believe it’s moral, but your fundamental perspective is “men are in charge”. I find it like… interesting as fuck that this is what feminism has looped back to. Shit like this makes me think that as a species we are really just too petty or too stupid to get past our own biases.

I’m really disappointed in your inability to confront your own biases. You set definitions, I meet them, and then you just move the goal posts.

How you call Bob at the hardware store “the ruling class” is BEYOND me. 99% of men don’t have any sort of ruling authority. So you’ve created a term that holds men to a level of responsibility they don’t have, and then you use that to disqualify the actuality of misandry in society… Fuuuck…

Thank you for taking the time to lay out your biases for me. You’ve really helped me breakdown this shit, and I appreciate that. Sorry for any anxiety I’ve given you, but seriously… you need to expand your perspective outside of feminist rhetoric.

I am aware of what issues affect men.

I don’t see how you can make that claim at all when you don’t even read male forums, much less can’t even put a vague number on your own exposure.

Here’s a good article from a woman that lived as a man for 18 months.

Multiple competing perspectives are crucial. You are not immune from bias.

Its not that I don’t consider it to be misandry its that its not systemic against men as a class. It is not a power structure

But… toxic toxic masculinity is systemic against men as a class, and it does operate on the level of societial and institutional pressures. That fits the critia for a power structure.

And 99% of men are not “the ruling class”, so I just don’t see why you would even make that generalization. Especially when the vast majority of issues we talk about are dependent on societial norms, not institutional structures.

Is that the crux of your argument? Until women hold the balance of leadership roles systemic misandry isn’t a thing?

There exists biases and discrimination against men, but nothing that does so using the structure of a system and through institutional power.

So you wouldn’t actually consider societal pressures against men as misandry? You wouldn’t consider the structures that force men to disregard their own emotions to take on provider roles as misandry. You don’t see men commiting sucide at 3 times the rate of women significant enough of a qualifier? You don’t see how influences like these connect back to men having to be “hard”. You don’t see how men are used and disregarded by society? Like I am literally missing a piece of my body, and it’s just socially accepted.

Like men aren’t just in power, men are pushed towards power.

And… I just realized you acknowledge toxic masculinity. So toxic masculinity does effect all men, on societial and institutional levels, which fits your definition of misandry.

[…] biases and discrimination against men […] using the structure of a system and through institutional power.

I don’t take it to be criticising women’s issues, but rather the bias.

You should definitely take the leap! If you can approach male spaces without bias you’d gain deeper perspective into these issues.

And your definition of misandry?