Yes, I made it using a laptop’s trackpad, how could you tell?

[Image description: Panel 1: Young man confidently walking, his vest bears the Wayland logo. Behind him is a grunt with the Gnome logo on his face holding a katana. The young man says: “It’s high time you retire, old man!” Panel 2: An old man with a long beard and the Xorg logo on his chest is sitting on a throne and petting a rat, the XFCE mascot. He says: “It’s still a hundred years too early for you to defeat me!” ]

    • nxdefiant@startrek.website
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      4 months ago

      No.

      System D was/Is a philosophical debate.

      Wayland vs X is a mortal attempting to summit Mt. Everest naked. Everyone is cheering Wayland on, no one believes it’ll succeed.

      Even the X people are like “Honestly it’d be a relief if you pulled this off, we’re so tired, please end us”

      • Cris@lemmy.worldEnglish
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        4 months ago

        No one thinks it’ll succeed? Obviously you and I exist in very different parts of the linux sphere, cause I’m pretty sure X11 is all but dead as a project and its kinda just a question of how long it takes for Wayland to be feature complete enough to reach a critical mass of adoption. And its kinda feeling like we’re currently on the cusp of being there with the major DEs moving towards discontinuing X11 support 😅

        • nxdefiant@startrek.website
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          4 months ago

          X is 36 years old. Wayland is 15. Wayland was not the first attempt at unseating that throne and for the sake of all our sanity, I hope it’s the last. I don’t want Wayland to win because it’s better, I want Wayland to win because I’m tired of trying to use it and having to go back to X because it broke something.

  • KISSmyOS@feddit.de
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    4 months ago

    Today, X is like the horse and buggy proponents, claiming the car isn’t feasible cause you can’t get gasoline in every town.

  • Bob@sh.itjust.works
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    4 months ago

    Wayland gets so many more of the basics so much better than X11 it’s not even funny anymore. X11 is stuttery, unsecure, unmaintaned, can’t really be updated for new features that are pretty important in 2024 (VRR, HDR). For now with my usage, the only big disadvantage I saw from Wayland is that you can’t restart it like X11 when something goes wrong, but that’s the thing, I haven’t had to restart it like I had to often with X11. Even on Nvidia Wayland is better now, except maybe for gaming but that’s Nvidia for you.

    • Aganim@lemmy.world
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      4 months ago

      X11 is stuttery

      Not for me

      unsecure

      Source?

      unmaintaned

      Received a number of commits just last week: https://gitlab.freedesktop.org/xorg

      can’t really be updated for new features that are pretty important in 2024 (VRR, HDR).

      VRR is supported, at least on AMD: https://wiki.archlinux.org/title/Variable_refresh_rate

      For HDR you have a point, afaik.

      Wayland gets so many more of the basics so much better than X11 it’s not even funny anymore.

      And yet X11 works rock solid for me, while Wayland still crashes whenever I so much as look at it wrong. The amount of time and work I’ve lost because of Wayland crapping out on me isn’t even funny anymore. On AMD by the way, so no blaming Nvidia’s crappy Linux support.

      Wayland will probably be the better product one day, but this day is not that day, at least not for every use-case. Great that it works fantastically for you, I genuinely advise you to keep using it, but keep in mind that ‘mileage may vary’ from person to person. Personally for now I’ll stick to X11, as I need to get work done and unfortunately don’t have time to muck around with Wayland’s antics.