New server has been acquired. Debian 13 has been installed.

GS308EP switches have been acquired and installed.

Now, I’m working to migrate to the new machine. 3 1/2 years ago when I started futzing with Docker, I sorta followed guides and guessed, abused it trying to make it do things it wasn’t designed for, and flipped switches I likely shouldn’t have flipped, so the set up is more than a little shabby.

As a result, I’ll likely end more redeploying than migrating the containers.

So rather than go forward with Docker blindly, I want to reassess whether I shouldn’t look into Proxmox, LXC, or Podman instead of Docker, or maybe something else entirely?

Work is just about done dumping ESX for Nutanix, but both of those seem overkill for my needs.

Of course the forums for any of the solutions make their own out to be the best thing since sliced bread and the others useless, so I’m hoping to get a more nuanced answer here.

  • Nico198X@europe.pubEnglish
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    1 month ago

    i just came into containerization recently and skipped Docker completely and went straight to podman. it’s been fantastic and integrates well with systemd. i would recommend anyone new to do the same.

    since you’re not new, and are looking for something different, i would say do podman instead of docker.

  • Vendetta9076@sh.itjust.worksEnglish
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    1 month ago

    I use proxmox has the base OS to deploy different virtual machines/LXCs depending on what I need. I have a dedicated docker lxc among those. Say what you will about docker, and man do people have opinions, but proxmox is probably the best way to run a multi lxc/VM setup. Highly recommend regardless of what else you do.

      • felbane@lemmy.worldEnglish
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        1 month ago

        It’s not worth the headache IMO. Just run a docker VM and use lxc for the one-off systems that you want to experiment with.

        I have a “production” docker VM and a “sandbox” docker VM and prod only ever runs compose files that I’ve vetted in sandbox. Super stable, basically bulletproof, and still has the flexibility to experiment and break stuff without affecting my core services.

  • glizzyguzzler@piefed.blahaj.zoneEnglish
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    1 month ago

    If you’ve got Debian already installed, I cannot resist advocating for Incus (stable branch from Zabbly repo with web ui https://blog.simos.info/how-to-install-and-setup-the-incus-web-ui/) in lieu of proxmox. Does the same thing but you don’t have to rip out the kernel Debian uses.

    With Debian 13 you have access to podman quadlets, use that for any non-vm needs. The ease of docker compose files easily removes reason for programs in LXC containers, and podman removes reason for docker in an LXC. LXC is left only for programs that aren’t containerized. VMs for security DMZ. Podman for bulk of stuff you want.

    Good luck!

    • tofubl@discuss.tchncs.deEnglish
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      1 month ago

      I was in a similar spot not too long ago, setting up a firewall and general network box. I was going to go with Proxmox but a fellow Lemmy guy strongly advocated for Incus on top of vanilla Debian. I was intrigued and ended up going for it. Learned a lot about networking with systemd (bridging, IP assignment and so on) for things I could have gotten for free in Proxmox (literally a few clicks), and had to fight Incus to work with a FreeBSD VM for Opnsense, but I love the setup now. Pure debian with a few Incus VMs and Docker inside of those as needed. So clean!