My college chaplain often said “If religion makes you comfortable you’re doing it wrong.” So, yes, I’m bothered that so much of my connection to my religion is circumstancial, but I’d rather be uncomfortable about it than dishonest with myself. And admittedly, I’m kind of at a low point right now, so my answers might be very different in eighteen months.
That said, God exists or doesn’t regardless of what I believe. I don’t particularly need to take anything on faith to find value in my religion.
Why is it good that it makes you uncomfortable? And I’ll go a step further and ask whether all discomfort regarding religion is good. For example, was your chaplain saying you should be uncomfortable because you’re not sure if it’s rooted in truth, or were they saying you should be going out of your comfort zone and challenging yourself to do more and/or expressing your faith in new ways? If so, are the two equivalent?
I’m asking in genuine curiosity: I grew up Catholic, and never felt much of a community motivation for my religion. Once I got to college, I mostly stopped going to church, with occasional bursts where I’d decide to go for a month or so. So going to church dried up before my faith did for me, and I don’t really understand going in the absence of faith.
I hung on as an agnostic theist for years, though lately I think I’ve been more of an agnostic atheist. I agree with your sentiment on God existence not being predicated on belief, but have also reached the conclusion that if I need belief to accept something as true, it probably isn’t.
Definitely the “go out of your comfort zone” take. Christ loves us as we are, but you can’t stay the same, act the same, and have the true repentance required for salvation. Striving to be better is not comfortable. Confronting your own sins is not comfortable. Empathizing with the downtrodden is not comfortable. Going out and getting your hands dirty and your bank account emptier to help the poor, the sick, the widowed and orphaned, the homeless, the hurting is not comfortable. But that’s what the example of Christ requires us to do.
How do you reconcile that with your discomfort about much of your connection to religion being circumstantial? Isn’t that very different than what you just told me?
After all, the post you just gave me is the practiced rhetoric of a firm believer. You were able to fall back into it quite easily, but does it accurately reflect how you really feel? Do you still feel this tie to Christ and that you are being held to this divine mandate given that you were saying you (your faith?) was at a low point a couple posts earlier?
How do you reconcile that with your discomfort about much of your connection to religion being circumstantial? Isn’t that very different than what you just told me?
So, just now, I was explaining what she meant. How it relates to my answer above being uncomfortable is that I can’t grow in my faith unless I’m honest with myself about the shortcomings of my faith, including any shaky foundations.
After all, the post you just gave me is the practiced rhetoric of a firm believer. You were able to fall back into it quite easily, but does it accurately reflect how you really feel?
Cutting right to the quick of it, aren’t you? As mentioned elsewhere in this thread, I am a cradle Episcopalian and it shouldn’t be surprising that I have the official ready to drop, but what I wrote above is, yes, something I fully believe even after poking at it with my skeptical mind.
Do you still feel this tie to Christ and that you are being held to this divine mandate given that you were saying you (your faith?) was at a low point a couple posts earlier?
I don’t always feel as tied to Christ as I would prefer, or maybe better to say as much as Zi think I should be. But yes, I still feel the impetus to follow the example of Christ even in these low times, because I genuinely think a path of radical love, forgiveness, charity, and empathy is ideal. On that, I can hope at least I’ve been consistent.
Sometimes!
My college chaplain often said “If religion makes you comfortable you’re doing it wrong.” So, yes, I’m bothered that so much of my connection to my religion is circumstancial, but I’d rather be uncomfortable about it than dishonest with myself. And admittedly, I’m kind of at a low point right now, so my answers might be very different in eighteen months.
That said, God exists or doesn’t regardless of what I believe. I don’t particularly need to take anything on faith to find value in my religion.
This is a very profound realisation
Why is it good that it makes you uncomfortable? And I’ll go a step further and ask whether all discomfort regarding religion is good. For example, was your chaplain saying you should be uncomfortable because you’re not sure if it’s rooted in truth, or were they saying you should be going out of your comfort zone and challenging yourself to do more and/or expressing your faith in new ways? If so, are the two equivalent?
I’m asking in genuine curiosity: I grew up Catholic, and never felt much of a community motivation for my religion. Once I got to college, I mostly stopped going to church, with occasional bursts where I’d decide to go for a month or so. So going to church dried up before my faith did for me, and I don’t really understand going in the absence of faith.
I hung on as an agnostic theist for years, though lately I think I’ve been more of an agnostic atheist. I agree with your sentiment on God existence not being predicated on belief, but have also reached the conclusion that if I need belief to accept something as true, it probably isn’t.
Definitely the “go out of your comfort zone” take. Christ loves us as we are, but you can’t stay the same, act the same, and have the true repentance required for salvation. Striving to be better is not comfortable. Confronting your own sins is not comfortable. Empathizing with the downtrodden is not comfortable. Going out and getting your hands dirty and your bank account emptier to help the poor, the sick, the widowed and orphaned, the homeless, the hurting is not comfortable. But that’s what the example of Christ requires us to do.
How do you reconcile that with your discomfort about much of your connection to religion being circumstantial? Isn’t that very different than what you just told me?
After all, the post you just gave me is the practiced rhetoric of a firm believer. You were able to fall back into it quite easily, but does it accurately reflect how you really feel? Do you still feel this tie to Christ and that you are being held to this divine mandate given that you were saying you (your faith?) was at a low point a couple posts earlier?
So, just now, I was explaining what she meant. How it relates to my answer above being uncomfortable is that I can’t grow in my faith unless I’m honest with myself about the shortcomings of my faith, including any shaky foundations.
Cutting right to the quick of it, aren’t you? As mentioned elsewhere in this thread, I am a cradle Episcopalian and it shouldn’t be surprising that I have the official ready to drop, but what I wrote above is, yes, something I fully believe even after poking at it with my skeptical mind.
I don’t always feel as tied to Christ as I would prefer, or maybe better to say as much as Zi think I should be. But yes, I still feel the impetus to follow the example of Christ even in these low times, because I genuinely think a path of radical love, forgiveness, charity, and empathy is ideal. On that, I can hope at least I’ve been consistent.