Buelldozer

Okay done. I’ll give the instance a try and see how it goes. :)

As long as both groups of people are following their choice then it’s all good.

For one, Hexbear made it perfectly clear they expect their users to abide by the rules of the instances they visit and not cause trouble.

The users at Hexbear made it perfectly clear in the discussions about federation that they weren’t going to respect that request and were openly encouraging each other to brigade other instances. They seem to have quite a number of participants who were really looking forward to being able to “bully the libs” and a quick scan showed several comments about sending offensive DMs to users of other instances. I was also able to find multiple HB users who openly admitted to already being banned multiple times from beehaw for trollish community breaking behavior.

The idea that BH users would have been well behaved is wishful thinking as they’ve already shown the Fediverse how they behave. Their instance Admins and Users are also not shy with how they are approaching Federation. They very specifically want the freedom to participate in other instances without those instances being able to engage them. Put together they want the freedom to “own the libs” all across the Fediverse without having those same libs show up in their carefully crafted safe space. They want to eat their cake and have it too.

To be clear I don’t agree with how Lemmy.World handled the blocking of Hexbear. I would strongly have preferred community engagement on the issue prior to the block but looking at the Troll Army being formed at HB I can’t necessarily fault the admins of LW either. Dealing with ideologically motivated extremists is a lot of work that no one wants to do.

Mmm yes, I remember these days!

You don’t get to take over every space your eyes fucking see.

American politics in a nutshell.

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People are generally good with having their own freedom, where they get outraged is when they discover that other people have freedom. Obviously this situation can’t be allowed so rules need to be made, and enforced, so those other people have to conform.

Is there a feddit.eu ? Because that’s the parallel to a feddit.us.

and run into arguments daily.

The same arguments daily! Even as a politically active American it’s utterly boring and unnecessary. Yes, we get it, you hate $PoliticalTribe and feel that you need to show everyone how awful they are. Yes, fine, they are truly terrible. Now lets talk about something else for a minute.

Why would they face any legal consequences any more than any other social media?

Instance location. Content comes at you from all over the Fediverse but once its in your instance it’s actually located on your server. It’s obvious how even regular NSFW stuff can be a problem if your instance is sitting in a ME country but perhaps less obvious (and more troublesome) is text based content.

For instance if a user is enrolled on an instance located in Germany and then subscribes to Neo-Nazi content from an instance located in the United States. That NN material is now on your instance but much of it is probably illegal in Germany. What happens when the German Authorities find out and come knocking?

Even “Child Porn” isn’t nearly as cut and dried as most people think. Things like /c/tinytitties or /c/flatchested from lemmynsfw are arguably illegal in a place like Australia since the person can be perceived as under-age due to their physical characteristics. It gets worse when you toss in the AI Generated stuff.

Big Tech does a lot of juggling trying to stay clear of these problems and they have large legal teams to help them when they run into trouble. I rather doubt that most instance admins have the resources for it.

The internet is for porn. Don’t make me link the video proving it.

Just think of the spike in users when that rolls around in 10 days

I’m here now trying to get ahead of it.